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Re: Encryption
Joe M.
I think he meant the newspaper transmitting
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the info over their non-encrypted radios. Joe M.
On 5/16/2020 12:40 AM, Rick Bates, NK7I wrote:
The encryption key can be sent over the air to reprogram the fleet, but
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Re: Encryption
The encryption key can be sent over the air to reprogram the fleet, but naturally, it's secure. Rick
On 5/15/2020 8:45 PM, (Maggie/Tom
O’Connor) wrote:
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Re: Encryption
Maggie O'Connor
Thanks everyone.. Quite a complex world - these radios are!
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From: Joe M. Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2020 10:36 PM To: main@Uniden.groups.io Subject: Re: [Uniden] Encryption Sorry, Evan. I didn't see you answered that already. Joe M. On 5/14/2020 10:23 PM, Evan Platt wrote: Most likely they were given a department issued radio with transmit inhibited.
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Re: Encryption
Maggie O'Connor
Interesting.. Then hopefully they don’t then broadcast that info out on an
open radio to their cars! Or – maybe hopefully they do – and I could hear
it!
Anyway – thanks much for the reply.
- Maggie
More than likely they have one radio at the station that has the encryption
keys.
On Thu, May 14, 2020, 22:12 (Maggie/Tom O’Connor)
<Maggie-o@...>
wrote:
I have a technical question.. A big city I used to listen to went encrypted
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Re: SDS100 Upgrades?
Tim Ferguson
The real answer is satellite radios, good anywhere you are. And too expensive to try to develop a scanner to work with them, in the beginning at least. (And yes, I’m being sarcastic! 😎)
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On May 15, 2020, at 7:16 PM, Chris Quirk via groups.io <w6cjq@...> wrote:
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Re: SDS100 Upgrades?
Chris Quirk
For those of us that have been around we have seen this move before. It was called Nextel and depending on where you were geographically it worked pretty well. For years PD carried Nextel phones with PTT to be used as a tac channel. A couple of departments did put their main dispatch channel on Nextel as a test. So why did it never evolve? The decision makers trust assets that they own and have control over. Make no mistake the COMs will look more like a cell service than a 2 way radio in the future, however it will be years before 5G or anything else replaces a middle to large sized departments or agency radio system. The Nextel channels were also not recorded and some agencies felt this was an unreasonable risk to the department. There was always a fear that a nationwide network could be seized or taken down by a un friendly entity and that agencies did not want to put 100 % trust in any 1 system In California we still have large areas with no cell coverage and trunked systems would be very costly to build out and have no real advantage as the amount of air traffic is fairly low for a lot of these rural agencies. (90/5/5) The Highway patrol uses primarily low band, some UHF and some 700 Mhzs. They would have to build 1000s of sites to cover the areas they serve. State parks and regional parks have stayed away from trunk due to cost of the number of cells required to make it work and stick with repeaters in from lowband to 800 Mhzs. Chris Quirk W6CJQ WQXZ997 925 202 1198
On Friday, May 15, 2020, 10:21:14 AM PDT, Timothy Jackson via groups.io <tmjackso@...> wrote:
Verizon is really pushing their network as supporting first responders, and the push to 5G is also all about public safety/first responder support. I’m curious if the future is actually 5G networks over Verizon/AT&T/Sprint/T-Mobile to replace these trunked radio systems. Any thoughts on that?
As newspaper reporter in scanner-equipped car, one night I heard increasingly frantic state police dispatchers worried for trooper who stopped responding to radio after a traffic stop. Help was a ways off. I knew that on my route home I’d pass his location in a minute or two. I was able to call district headquarters are assure them the officer was on his feet and doing fine. On May 15, 2020, at 2:00 AM, Mark Lassman via groups.io <kb6kgx@...> wrote:
Interesting story. My daughter graduated from Berkeley two years ago. I stayed at the Durant a couple of times while visiting her on weekends.
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Re: SDS100 Upgrades?
Joe M.
The big push is to FirstNet for First Responders.
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They are even advertising on TV now. Joe M.
On 5/15/2020 11:45 AM, Timothy Jackson via groups.io wrote:
Verizon is really pushing their network as supporting first responders,
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Re: SDS100 Upgrades?
Timothy Jackson
Verizon is really pushing their network as supporting first responders, and the push to 5G is also all about public safety/first responder support. I’m curious if the future is actually 5G networks over Verizon/AT&T/Sprint/T-Mobile to replace these trunked radio systems. Any thoughts on that?
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Re: Encryption
Yes, Joe, that is a joke.
Another ribbing often used is for medics...
Why do firefighters hose down the scene of a wreck?
So the medics have something to walk on!
We give each other crap, constantly, but we also have each others backs, just like the family we are.
Rick (I never went to the dark side of the force, I stayed a
firefighter with both fire and LE degrees)
On 5/15/2020 5:41 AM, Don Woodward
wrote:
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Re: Encryption
Don Woodward
That's an inside joke between Fire and Police - LOL
Don W.
Former Volunteer FF/EMT (12 years)
From: main@Uniden.groups.io <main@Uniden.groups.io> on behalf of Joe M. via groups.io <mch@...>
Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2020 9:05 PM To: main@Uniden.groups.io <main@Uniden.groups.io> Subject: Re: [Uniden] Encryption I will never criticize someone for putting out a fire
before the FD arrives. That is, after all, the goal. I don't care if it's the local refuse collector who does it. Joe M. On 5/14/2020 8:57 PM, Rick Bates, NK7I wrote: > Ah that glorious day when the cop realizes the dream of being a > firefighter! > > <snicker-snort> > > Rick > > > On 5/14/2020 5:46 PM, Joe M. wrote: >> >> On another call, the PD put out a fire in an apartment using >> extinguishers.
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Re: SDS100 Upgrades?
Patrick Gauen
As newspaper reporter in scanner-equipped car, one night I heard increasingly frantic state police dispatchers worried for trooper who stopped responding to radio after a traffic stop. Help was a ways off. I knew that on my route home I’d pass his location in a minute or two. I was able to call district headquarters are assure them the officer was on his feet and doing fine.
On May 15, 2020, at 2:00 AM, Mark Lassman via groups.io <kb6kgx@...> wrote:
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Re: SDS100 Upgrades?
Mark Lassman
Interesting story. My daughter graduated from Berkeley two years ago. I stayed at the Durant a couple of times while visiting her on weekends.
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Re: Encryption
Ken Kulczyski
More than likely they have one radio at the station that has the encryption keys.
On Thu, May 14, 2020, 22:12 (Maggie/Tom O’Connor) <Maggie-o@...> wrote: I have a technical question.. A big city I used to listen to went encrypted
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Re: HIPAA (or HIPPA)
jim myers
With the use of systems like ePCR, there is no such thing as written documentation to "be locked in a vault" Patient information, including the condition of the patient, is ALWAYS transmitted to the responding crew. In 99% of city agencies, the call taker is NEVER the dispatcher. What kind of fantasy land must one live in to think that a responding paramedic crew is not allowed to know the patient's condition? In said fantasy land ALL medical dispatches would go like this "Medic 1, xxx Main St." That's it, nothing else. Utter insanity to think that's how it works! No dispatch information is "handed to the medical supervisor for secure filing" - 99% of city agencies have entirely electronic dispatch systems, so there is no such thing as "written documentation." Further, there is no dispatch agency that I've ever seen in 40 years in emergency services that has a "medical supervisor" hanging out in dispatch.
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Re: Encryption
Lloyd Mitchell
Stated in this thread..
I would like to know what radio has AES encryption today that operates in a trunked environment please for $1000. Not throwing rocks, really would like to know. Lloyd
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Re: Encryption
Evan Platt
:) I recall seeing your name too. Yep, been in this 'hobby' a while :)
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On Thu, May 14, 2020 at 7:47 PM Jerry Strahan <jerrystrahan@...> wrote:
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Re: Encryption
Rick Schafer
With OTAR you can’t turn it off. That’s for the greater good. Thanks to all that ruined it. Those days are Gone
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On May 14, 2020, at 7:39 PM, Glenn "Butch" Kanvick <hotlrv1@...> wrote:
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Re: HIPAA (or HIPPA)
(I know that the thread is closed; I changed the header because this is important to know.) The law allows those in direct contact with the patient care to discuss name, condition and treatments, no further. The only way the dispatcher can legally know is if the one
originating the call informs the dispatcher when describing the
conditions or needs. That information is NOT allowed to be sent
over the air to the responding crew; one way to give them a heads
up is to advise the crew to "Use FULL CDC precautions upon
arrival" (then get them to acknowledge that info) and that is a
thin thin line (similar is going on now with CV19 risks). The
dispatcher notes the warning in the log and usually nothing
further is documented (department regs vary, so if written, that
documentation is handed to the medical supervisor for secure
filing) and they are forbidden to discuss it (even with the crew
that was sent!). The responders MUST NOT use any patient name over the air in
relation to the event, if more than one patient, the number system
is used (patient 1, patient 2 etc). Once at the arriving
facility, a verbal AND written exchange (handoff) will happen to
the attending staff ONLY. Nothing goes undocumented these days,
the paperwork (including the written agency report) must be locked
in a vault accessible to a very limited number of people. The
crew can ONLY discuss the patient care with those in the facility
responsible for added care; they are not allowed to tell anyone
else, including the next shift, spouse or even other co-workers.
This also includes the family of the patient. This includes
electronic (tablet, computer) documentation (new since the law was
written) it must be SECURE. The law is specific and clear in this regard. If you read it
carefully, bladder control is important, it's scary. The standard issued line about patient care for reporters is "We
went, we found XXX of specific injuries, we
treated/transported." That's it. They can discuss the horrendous
wreck, the dramatic rescue or similar, ZERO about the patient
name, even by inference. (This is routinely stated as "We brought
in the victim of a drive-by shooting" but NO NAMES are allowed.)
This is still used, even if the patient is DOA. Violation of the law brings numerous sharp gnashing teeth into
motion; one does not want to cross this line. God may forgive
you, but the judges won't and the lawyers will give you nightmares
for years. So you're mistaken, the law is SPECIFIC in forbidding
communications beyond the above mentioned conditions. Condition,
state of transport or release but NO NAMES. Rick
On 5/14/2020 6:18 PM, Rich wrote:
HIPAA does not apply to communications required to treat patients or to information shared for operations purposes. 45 C.F.R. § 164.501 Since information shared by a dispatch agency is shared to treat patients and to operate effectively as a dispatchservice, HIPAA most often does not apply to the communication.
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Re: Encryption
Rick Schafer
Here is how social media has forced public safety to encrypt
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A call goes out that little Johnny didn’t show up at school. His dad hunts and has guns. The Assuming social media person says Johnny must be at home and has his dads gun and is going down to the schoolyard and is going to shoot everyone. Yea it’s dumbasses like this that warrant encryption.
On May 14, 2020, at 7:39 PM, Glenn "Butch" Kanvick <hotlrv1@...> wrote:
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Re: Encryption
jerrystrahan@...
On 5/14/20, 9:24 PM Evan Platt <evan@...> wrote:
Most likely they were given a department issued radio with transmit inhibited.
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