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Re: SDS100 Upgrades?

Joe Polcari
 

Lucky you.

I live in FL and encryption absolutely ruined my hobby.

 

From: <main@Uniden.groups.io> on behalf of "Joe M." <mch@...>
Reply-To: <main@Uniden.groups.io>
Date: Thursday, May 14, 2020 at 3:24 PM
To: <main@Uniden.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [Uniden] SDS100 Upgrades?

 

You could say P25 "ruined it", or digital "ruined it", or

narrowbanding "ruined it". Any required newer scanners.

 

Yes, encryption will ruin it for everyone since upgrades are not legal.

 

P25 Phase II did not ruin it for me. I purchased a P25 Phase II capable

scanner and continue to monitor those areas.

 

Joe M.

 

On 5/14/2020 2:50 PM, don robinson via groups.io wrote:

 

But, for us little guys, it meant replacing our analog

trunking scanners with digital trunking scanners- not cheap either.

Phase II ruined  it for some of us. Encryption will ruin it for all of us.

 

 

 


Re: SDS100 Upgrades?

Joe M.
 

You could say P25 "ruined it", or digital "ruined it", or
narrowbanding "ruined it". Any required newer scanners.

Yes, encryption will ruin it for everyone since upgrades are not legal.

P25 Phase II did not ruin it for me. I purchased a P25 Phase II capable scanner and continue to monitor those areas.

Joe M.

On 5/14/2020 2:50 PM, don robinson via groups.io wrote:

But, for us little guys, it meant replacing our analog
trunking scanners with digital trunking scanners- not cheap either.
Phase II ruined it for some of us. Encryption will ruin it for all of us.


Re: SDS100 Upgrades?

don robinson
 


True: P25 was pushed into the US for interoperability, but also because the phone company took away some radio spectrum many radio agencies had been using, including TV. The government grant to get cities into P25 was not enough to really make it work though at first. P25  began as barely operable, but for 10's of millions of dollars more it could be made to work. There also is annual maintenance, costing cities millions per year as well. That is very lucrative for the providers of P25 systems, but some cities choose not to be on the hook for millions more dollars in annual cost to replace something they have that still works well for them. But, for us little guys, it meant replacing our analog trunking scanners with digital trunking scanners- not cheap either. Phase II ruined  it for some of us. Encryption will ruin it for all of us.

Stay well, friends.



It's not just Motorola.  Public safety agencies that are buying digital
radios are STRONGLY encouraged to use the P-25 standard in order to
maintain inter-operability with their neighbors.  To help push that, the
federal government has deemed that if you are going to get federal grant
money to buy radios, it MUST be P-25 capable.
Going into the Way Back machine, when trunking first got started,
largely every manufacturer built their own system.  None were compatible
with each other.  Many years ago, it was realized that this was a
problem.  APCO came together and created the P-25 standard to avoid that
problem in the future.  Granted that radio systems do not get major
updates or replacements on a fast schedule, so it has taken YEARS, but
the vast majority of digital radio systems in use in the USA by public
safety agencies today are P-25. Of course there are lots of agencies
(especially in more rural areas) that are still analog conventional, and
likely will be for a long time.

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-------------------------------------
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Re: SDS100 Upgrades?

Jim Walls
 

On 05/11/2020 18:00, James F. Boehner, MD via groups.io wrote:
Looks like I need to correct myself-last two paragraphs:

1) Motorola sells "mission critical" radios such as the APX series that uses P25 for public safety and when not encrypted, can be monitored by your scanner without upgrades.

'73 de JIM N2ZZ
It's not just Motorola.  Public safety agencies that are buying digital radios are STRONGLY encouraged to use the P-25 standard in order to maintain inter-operability with their neighbors.  To help push that, the federal government has deemed that if you are going to get federal grant money to buy radios, it MUST be P-25 capable.
Going into the Way Back machine, when trunking first got started, largely every manufacturer built their own system.  None were compatible with each other.  Many years ago, it was realized that this was a problem.  APCO came together and created the P-25 standard to avoid that problem in the future.  Granted that radio systems do not get major updates or replacements on a fast schedule, so it has taken YEARS, but the vast majority of digital radio systems in use in the USA by public safety agencies today are P-25. Of course there are lots of agencies (especially in more rural areas) that are still analog conventional, and likely will be for a long time.

--
73
-------------------------------------
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Re: Searching BCD436HP database

Joel Kahn
 

You can use the Sentinel program to look at what is programmed in each of your favorite lists.  

If you find duplicate talk groups, you can "avoid" (lock out) one of them, or you can edit the favorite list and delete the duplicates.

Joel R Kahn

Comme dicté à mon chat et envoyé de mon Android.
(As dictated to my cat and sent from my Android.)



On Monday, May 11, 2020, 10:00:17 AM EDT, sckeith@... <sckeith@...> wrote:


New to the BCD436HP and I was looking but didn't finding anything. Is there a way to search through the scanner database to look for duplicate frequencies?

Thanks


Re: Which one?

KA9QJG
 

The  BC-246  Is a Great little Scanner  I was  forced  to buy the Expensive SDS-100  To hear My Local PD/FD ...On  Mot Phase 2   . I can you this  The 246  Is Much Much better on Close Call and VHF/UHF

 

Happy Scanning 

 

Don KA9QJG

 

From: main@Uniden.groups.io [mailto:main@Uniden.groups.io] On Behalf Of (Maggie/Tom O’Connor)
Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2020 11:01 PM
To: main@Uniden.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Uniden] Which one?

 

+1 for the BC246!!! Great for analog Trunked AND pretty good on UHF and not so bad on Low Band either! Mine ranks right up there with my BCD346!!  Reception is def better, but not as many features, and obviously no digital.  It’s my go-to though!

 

Sent: Monday, May 11, 2020 9:24 PM

Subject: Re: [Uniden] Which one?

 

I have a BC246 which works great for trunked analog and is no longer made.  If I was going to buy new one today, it would be a BCD325P2.

 

Robert Wichert 
PEng   LEED AP
HERS I/II 2016/2019 #CC2006186
Office: +1 916 966 9060
Mobile: +1 916 712 4481

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Re: Which one?

Maggie O'Connor
 

+1 for the BC246!!! Great for analog Trunked AND pretty good on UHF and not so bad on Low Band either! Mine ranks right up there with my BCD346!!  Reception is def better, but not as many features, and obviously no digital.  It’s my go-to though!
 

Sent: Monday, May 11, 2020 9:24 PM
Subject: Re: [Uniden] Which one?
 

I have a BC246 which works great for trunked analog and is no longer made.  If I was going to buy new one today, it would be a BCD325P2.

 

Robert Wichert 
PEng   LEED AP
HERS I/II 2016/2019 #CC2006186
Office: +1 916 966 9060
Mobile: +1 916 712 4481
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Re: Thanks!

Joe M.
 

I should have specified Uniden America. :-)

Joe M.

On 5/12/2020 4:25 PM, Anton Romirer wrote:
In New Zealand and Australia they do...
their full range!

On Wed, 13 May 2020 at 02:50, Joe M. <mch@... <mailto:mch@...>> wrote:

Uniden (Bearcat) does not sell scanners directly to consumers.

Joe M.

On 5/12/2020 10:40 AM, harvey morse wrote:
> I did order my SDS100 from Bearcat, and yes, they are $75 per
upgrade. I
> am going to hold off purchasing the upgrades now, as several of
you have
> given me other sources of acquiring them if needed at a lesser
cost, but
> I am going to let them program several counties that I need to
listen to
> and see what difference there is if any, to a zip code selection.
Thanks
> to all who were kind enough to assist me with your responses. Now
it’s a
> waiting game until Bearcat has them back in stock.
>
> Harvey
>
> K1DJG





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Re: Thanks!

Anton Romirer <polariceskiwi@...>
 

In New Zealand and Australia they do...
their full range!

On Wed, 13 May 2020 at 02:50, Joe M. <mch@...> wrote:
Uniden (Bearcat) does not sell scanners directly to consumers.

Joe M.

On 5/12/2020 10:40 AM, harvey morse wrote:
> I did order my SDS100 from Bearcat, and yes, they are $75 per upgrade. I
> am going to hold off purchasing the upgrades now, as several of you have
> given me other sources of acquiring them if needed at a lesser cost, but
> I am going to let them program several counties that I need to listen to
> and see what difference there is if any, to a zip code selection. Thanks
> to all who were kind enough to assist me with your responses. Now it’s a
> waiting game until Bearcat has them back in stock.
>
> Harvey
>
> K1DJG





Re: Searching BCD436HP database

Steve VE4FX
 

I use radioreference a lot and think it's very good but I also add a lot of channels manually from finding stuff while doing searches. I though a search function would be good to avoid duplication on my part


Re: Thanks!

Joe M.
 

No problem. I knew it wasn't Uniden direct.

The prices are lower on the Uniden site for upgrades.
(which they do sell direct)

The dealers have to take time to enter the codes, so that is why they charge more. If you really don't want to do that yourself, that would be a viable option.

Joe M.

On 5/12/2020 10:58 AM, harvey morse wrote:
Correction, Joe: _Bearcat Warehouse_ which I referred to as “Bearcat”.
Sorry.

Harvey

K1DJG

*From: *<main@Uniden.groups.io> on behalf of "Joe M. via groups.io"
<mch@...>
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*Date: *Tuesday, May 12, 2020 at 10:51 AM
*To: *"main@Uniden.groups.io" <main@Uniden.groups.io>
*Subject: *Re: [Uniden] Thanks!

Uniden (Bearcat) does not sell scanners directly to consumers.

Joe M.

On 5/12/2020 10:40 AM, harvey morse wrote:

I did order my SDS100 from Bearcat, and yes, they are $75 per upgrade. I

am going to hold off purchasing the upgrades now, as several of you have

given me other sources of acquiring them if needed at a lesser cost, but

I am going to let them program several counties that I need to listen to

and see what difference there is if any, to a zip code selection. Thanks

to all who were kind enough to assist me with your responses. Now it’s a

waiting game until Bearcat has them back in stock.

Harvey

K1DJG


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Re: Thanks!

harvey morse
 

Correction, Joe: Bearcat Warehouse which I referred to as “Bearcat”. Sorry.

 

Harvey

K1DJG

 

From: <main@Uniden.groups.io> on behalf of "Joe M. via groups.io" <mch@...>
Reply-To: "main@Uniden.groups.io" <main@Uniden.groups.io>
Date: Tuesday, May 12, 2020 at 10:51 AM
To: "main@Uniden.groups.io" <main@Uniden.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [Uniden] Thanks!

 

Uniden (Bearcat) does not sell scanners directly to consumers.

 

Joe M.

 

On 5/12/2020 10:40 AM, harvey morse wrote:

I did order my SDS100 from Bearcat, and yes, they are $75 per upgrade. I

am going to hold off purchasing the upgrades now, as several of you have

given me other sources of acquiring them if needed at a lesser cost, but

I am going to let them program several counties that I need to listen to

and see what difference there is if any, to a zip code selection. Thanks

to all who were kind enough to assist me with your responses. Now it’s a

waiting game until Bearcat has them back in stock.

 

Harvey

 

K1DJG

 

 

 

 


Re: Thanks!

Joe M.
 

Uniden (Bearcat) does not sell scanners directly to consumers.

Joe M.

On 5/12/2020 10:40 AM, harvey morse wrote:
I did order my SDS100 from Bearcat, and yes, they are $75 per upgrade. I
am going to hold off purchasing the upgrades now, as several of you have
given me other sources of acquiring them if needed at a lesser cost, but
I am going to let them program several counties that I need to listen to
and see what difference there is if any, to a zip code selection. Thanks
to all who were kind enough to assist me with your responses. Now it’s a
waiting game until Bearcat has them back in stock.

Harvey

K1DJG


Re: Thanks!

harvey morse
 

I did order my SDS100 from Bearcat, and yes, they are $75 per upgrade. I am going to hold off purchasing the upgrades now, as several of you have given me other sources of acquiring them if needed at a lesser cost, but I am going to let them program several counties that I need to listen to and see what difference there is if any, to a zip code selection. Thanks to all who were kind enough to assist me with your responses. Now it’s a waiting game until Bearcat has them back in stock.

 

Harvey

K1DJG


Re: SDS100 Upgrades?

KD6MDV
 

Hello,
I don't think you made a "mistake" not ordering DMR, ProVoice, or NXDN. If you have not agencies who use those formats there's no need to pay extra. I work in Emergency Management myself and only have the basic SDS 100. It works just fine on P25 and that's the main digital format used here in CA.


> I just ordered an SDS100, without the optional DMR and two other optional upgrades due to their expense of $75 each. Am I making a mistake? I am not a “programmer” or “techie” user. I just
>
> monitor the local agencies in my community as I am part of our Emergency Management Team. Thanks,
>
>
>
> K1DJG


Re: Which one?

pcbutts1
 

I drive all over Los  Angeles county Orange County San Bernardino County and kern county but mainly la.


On Mon, May 11, 2020 at 8:53 PM, John Shaffer
<j-shaffer@...> wrote:
Call Bearcat Warehouse, 1-877-568-7226 and they will look at your location to determine what frequencies and service types are and give you some options.

John J. Shaffer


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FW: [Uniden] SDS100 Upgrades?

Scanner1143
 

Edward Maikranze,

I stated and as I stated ,

IF IT IS A HARRIS P25 PII DIGITAL PROVOICE THEY ARE ENCRYPTED.

Most all States, Counties and Cities are going to the Phase II digital scanners. For that reason. They can be encrypted at will.

But my statement was if it was a Harris Radio Phase II

 

I had and still do have a BCD996P2 that I updated myself with DMR and was able to receive the City of Mobile, Al

For a whole 5 weeks to they threw the switch and went to the Harris Radio System P25 Phase II Encrypted.

 

I’m not trying to step on you. I am only explain what happened to me and this area.

 

Thanks and be Sage,

 

Thomas

 

 

From: main@Uniden.groups.io [mailto:main@Uniden.groups.io] On Behalf Of Edward Maikranz
Sent: Monday, May 11, 2020 3:42 PM
To: main@uniden.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Uniden] SDS100 Upgrades?

 

ProVoice and encryption are not one in the same. 

Unencrypted ProVoice can be monitored in the Uniden scanners via an upgrade, just like DMR and NXDN



On May 11, 2020, at 3:22 PM, Scanner1143 <scanner1143@...> wrote:



If you are trying to listen to a Harris (name of the radio manufacture) ProVoice,

Then NO!

There is no Radio made that can decrypt it. It is Encrypted. “Unless the User of that system opens it up.”

For instance. Where I live is in Mobile County Alabama

At one time The City of Mobile had all its channels blocked by encryption.

They now have a few of those opened up so you can hear a little.

But within the County there are 7 other Cities that use the same system.

All of them are completely encrypted……….

 

Thomas

 

From: main@Uniden.groups.io [mailto:main@Uniden.groups.io] On Behalf Of harvey morse
Sent: Monday, May 11, 2020 1:55 PM
To: main@Uniden.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Uniden] SDS100 Upgrades?

 

But if you had the three upgrades, would you be able to monitor them with a zip code search?

K1DJG

 

From: <main@Uniden.groups.io> on behalf of "almarote via groups.io" <wa1lbg@...>
Reply-To: "main@Uniden.groups.io" <main@Uniden.groups.io>
Date: Monday, May 11, 2020 at 2:53 PM
To: "main@Uniden.groups.io" <main@Uniden.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [Uniden] SDS100 Upgrades?

 

You don’t need an upgrade for P25.  The three upgrades are DMR, NXDN and ProVoice.  My area has systems that use all three.  Some law enforcement and fire/rescue in my area use ProVoice.

 

al

 

From: main@Uniden.groups.io [mailto:main@Uniden.groups.io] On Behalf Of harvey morse
Sent: Monday, May 11, 2020 2:26 PM
To: main@Uniden.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Uniden] SDS100 Upgrades?

 

That link was very helpful! If I had those upgrades installed, and I selected my area by zip code on the SDS100, would systems operating in DMR, NDXN and P25 be automatically monitored or would additional programing be required to receive them?

 

Thanks, this has been a big help.

 

K1DJG

 

From: <main@Uniden.groups.io> on behalf of "Evan Platt via groups.io" <evan@...>
Reply-To: "main@Uniden.groups.io" <main@Uniden.groups.io>
Date: Monday, May 11, 2020 at 2:16 PM
To: "main@Uniden.groups.io" <main@Uniden.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [Uniden] SDS100 Upgrades?

 

There's a lot more than what's on RR..

DMR, NDXN and P25 that wasn't in RR.

 

On Mon, May 11, 2020 at 11:13 AM David Serio <davidserio@...> wrote:

 

Look at Radio Reference for your area. See if there are systems that use DMR, etc that you want to listen to. If not, don't worry about them. You can always upgrade later if you find you want to listen to them.

 

 

 

 

 


Re: Which one?

Stormin Norman
 

My money would go to the Uniden SDS 100.
I have the base version of this family and like it. Im a Uniden Bearcat guy from 8 channel days


On Mon, May 11, 2020 at 21:24, robertwichert
<robert@...> wrote:

I have a BC246 which works great for trunked analog and is no longer made.  If I was going to buy new one today, it would be a BCD325P2.


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PEng   LEED AP
HERS I/II 2016/2019 #CC2006186
Office: +1 916 966 9060
Mobile: +1 916 712 4481
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Re: Which one?

John Shaffer
 

Call Bearcat Warehouse, 1-877-568-7226 and they will look at your location to determine what frequencies and service types are and give you some options.

John J. Shaffer


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Re: SDS100 Upgrades?

James F. Boehner, MD
 

Looks like I need to correct myself-last two paragraphs:

1) Motorola sells "mission critical" radios such as the APX series that uses P25 for public safety and when not encrypted, can be monitored by your scanner without upgrades.

2) Be sure to UPDATE your scanner with BCDx36HP sentinel....

Sorry, my proof reading prior to sending failed me.

'73 de JIM N2ZZ

-----Original Message-----
From: James F. Boehner MD [mailto:jboehner01@...]
Sent: Monday, May 11, 2020 8:44 PM
To: main@Uniden.groups.io
Subject: SDS100 Upgrades?

Harvey,

I have just caught up on my e-mails, and hopefully I can answer your question-although I'm certain that I will receive a lot of corrections.

First, you did the right thing by ordering the scanner without the upgrades. When you register your scanner on https://my.uniden.com you can purchase the upgrades for a more reasonable price. If I remember, the upgrades are $50-60 and you can do them yourself. Those that sell you the scanner are charging you to do it, and they do keep a reasonable profit for their trouble.

Second, do some research and see if the three mode upgrades are in your area. www.radioreference.com has good information. My guess is that DMR will be the most popular, NXDN next, and ProVoice third. Regardless of any mode, those agency frequencies/talkgroups that are encrypted cannot be monitored on a scanner.

Now to your primary question. Should you have one or more of the upgrades and you enter your zip, your scanner WILL monitor those agencies, should the information in the scanner be correct, and you have the correct "service types" selected. By default, many of the emergency/public service "service types" are already selected, but they will rarely be the ones that require the upgrades. Look through the other service types in the menu to see if anything interests you.

Motorola has severely discouraged the use of their DMR radios (XPR series) to public safety or what they call "mission critical" radios. They strongly encourage the use of their P25 radios, such as the APX series. You scanner should be able to monitor them right out of the box (after you enter your zip code). As long as those agencies are not encrypted, you should be able to monitor them without the upgrades.

Be sure you upgrade your scanner with BCDx36HP Sentinel. There are weekly updates that come out every Monday, generally.

Enjoy scanning!

'73 de JIM N2ZZ



-----Original Message-----
From: main@Uniden.groups.io [mailto:main@Uniden.groups.io] On Behalf Of harvey morse
Sent: Monday, May 11, 2020 6:44 PM
To: main@uniden.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Uniden] SDS100 Upgrades?

Ladies and Gentlemen: Your responses have been extremely informative yet nobody has answered my one primary question-

If I purchase all of the available upgrades for the SDS100, and I enter a zip code to monitor it, will the agencies added by the DMR, NXDN and Provoice, IF EXISTENT IN MY AREA, will be received without any further programming on my part when the zip code is scanned?

Thanks,

K1DJG

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On May 11, 2020, at 4:51 PM, Jim Walls via groups.io <jim@...> wrote:

I'm not the one who was asking about doing the updates. I also bought my SDS100 without any of the upgrades. There is no ProVoice around here, and although there is LOTS of DMR, there is not really any that I care to listen to. I will likely add NXDN somewhere down the road when more railroad moves to NXDN - what I ride to work is still all analog.
I bought my SDS100 for P25 phase 2 primarily.

Jim Walls
K6CCC



-----Original Message-----
From: "Evan Platt" <evan@...>
Sent: Monday, May 11, 2020 13:42
To: main@uniden.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Uniden] SDS100 Upgrades?

So wait until you get home. I mean, you can't do the upgrade anyway
unless you're sitting with the scanner..

On Mon, May 11, 2020 at 1:39 PM Jim Walls <jim@...> wrote:

I could not do that here because Uniden will not even give you a price without the serial number of the scanner you want to update - and it's at home, and I'm not.

Jim



-----Original Message-----
From: "Evan Platt" <evan@...>
Sent: Monday, May 11, 2020 13:32
To: main@uniden.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Uniden] SDS100 Upgrades?

Why go to a vendor? They're making a profit from you. Go to Uniden direct.

On Mon, May 11, 2020 at 1:25 PM Jim Walls <jim@...> wrote:

Guess again. I just checked about a half dozen vendors for the SDS100 and all that I checked except one were charging $75.00 for each upgrade. I did find one that had different prices: $99.99 for DMR, $79.99 for ProVoice, and $69.99 for NXDN.


Jim Walls
K6CCC



-----Original Message-----
From: "almarote" <wa1lbg@...>
Sent: Monday, May 11, 2020 11:15
To: main@Uniden.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Uniden] SDS100 Upgrades?

Unless there has been a price increase on the upgrades, they are a bit less than $75 each and not the same price. One is $60, another is $50, another is $49.xx (.95 or .99, something like that). Not sure which is which as far as price. It’s been a while. The SDS100 is a great radio for digital stuff, especially if you have it set up with GPS. I’ve had my for two years.



From: main@Uniden.groups.io [mailto:main@Uniden.groups.io] On Behalf Of harvey morse
Sent: Monday, May 11, 2020 2:02 PM
To: main@Uniden.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Uniden] SDS100 Upgrades?



I just ordered an SDS100, without the optional DMR and two other optional upgrades due to their expense of $75 each. Am I making a mistake? I am not a “programmer” or “techie” user. I just

monitor the local agencies in my community as I am part of our Emergency Management Team. Thanks,



K1DJG






















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