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I've tried 2. I'll get another and see what happens. I have a fear of damaging that little catch thing that holds the card in, with the number of times I've taken cards in and out
On Monday, 15 June 2020 Joe M. <main@Uniden.groups.io> wrote:
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Re: Clear User Data on 3600 / 436
Bad card? Have you tried another one?
Joe M.
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Clear User Data on 3600 / 436
I still can't get out of the clear user data. Memory cards formatted and reloaded both in the radio and in an adaptor, Sentinel uninstalled and reinstalled, sometimes it can't find the card in the programming, but can be found by my laptop. I've tried to 2, 9 etc reset. Nothing beeps or comes up on screen to say it has reset. I've tried pressing the menu button as it was starting up and after. I still can't get past tbe message... All I wanted to do was change the search ranges, it was working ok before that.
Any ideas?
Andrew
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Re: Can anyone about laws on scanner
Matthew Roberts
To be clear, you can get RR database updates with the included
scanner software for free. It costs nothing extra for that
feature.
-Matt
On 6/13/2020 2:31 PM, Mark French
wrote:
The TRX 1 and TRX 2 come with DMR and NXDN
installed. The Uniden P 2 models can do both but you have to pay
for the upgrade. They all work great and I have had no problems.
I don't have a problem with simulcasting because the
control channels come in just fine for what I listen to. The
Uniden SDS100 and SDS200 higher end scanner will solve the
simulcast problem but are over $600.00 and are too rich for me.
You really can't go wrong with any of the Whistler or Uniden
scanners. If I only needed one scanner I would bite the bullet
and get the Uniden higher end scanner. As for learning about the
scanner the web site marksscanners.com is excellent. It
has easier to read manuals that you can download for free. I am
not the Mark that owns the site. Radioreference.com has the
frequencies from all over the country and can be downloaded if
you pay for a membership. Whistler has its own radio control
software and Uniden can be controlled with Freescan which is
free or other paid software programs. If you need further help
just ask on this forum and somebody will answer. Mark in
Missouri City ,TX
Hello Mark,
I am contemplating the purchase of a TRX-2. Whistler
scanners are quite obviously the current "reincarnation"
of an earlier generation of scanners private labeled by
GRE for Radio Shack and Uniden, among others and were
always excellent
My question is about your feelings and results with the
TRX-2. Our county (/Clinton in NYS) is getting ready to
migrate from earlier Moto trunking technology to a Moto
Pn-25/digital,Phase 2 system and I need a scanner for
coverage of the "new technology" system.
Your comments and observations will be much
appreciated
73,
Wally
KC2PBK,
Plattsburgh NY
When I went to school in Kingsville I
passed through the Border Patrol checkpoints several
times and never had a problem. I have only been asked
once if that was a scanner in the car. I said yes and he
said he stopped me because of a burned out taillight. He
asked what I listened to and I replied I listened to the
fire departments and EMS so I would know where the
accidents on the highway were. Sure enough the fire tone
went off on his radio and my scanner. He said now we
both know where that accident is and got in his car and
sped off. No warning or ticket. I have driven all over
Central and south Texas and several other states and
have only been asked once about the two antennas on the
car. The antennas were for two bearcat scanners made in
the eighties. One was UHF and the other VHF. I still use
the antennas but the scanners are the TRX 1and the BCD
996P2. I also have a TRX 2 and BCD 325P2. Happy
scanning.
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Re: Can anyone about laws on scanner
The TRX 1 and TRX 2 come with DMR and NXDN installed. The Uniden P 2 models can do both but you have to pay for the upgrade. They all work great and I have had no problems. I don't have a problem with simulcasting because the control channels come in just fine for what I listen to. The Uniden SDS100 and SDS200 higher end scanner will solve the simulcast problem but are over $600.00 and are too rich for me. You really can't go wrong with any of the Whistler or Uniden scanners. If I only needed one scanner I would bite the bullet and get the Uniden higher end scanner. As for learning about the scanner the web site marksscanners.com is excellent. It has easier to read manuals that you can download for free. I am not the Mark that owns the site. Radioreference.com has the frequencies from all over the country and can be downloaded if you pay for a membership. Whistler has its own radio control software and Uniden can be controlled with Freescan which is free or other paid software programs. If you need further help just ask on this forum and somebody will answer. Mark in Missouri City ,TX
Hello Mark,
I am contemplating the purchase of a TRX-2. Whistler scanners are quite obviously the current "reincarnation" of an earlier generation of scanners private labeled by GRE for Radio Shack and Uniden, among others and were always excellent My question is about your feelings and results with the TRX-2. Our county (/Clinton in NYS) is getting ready to migrate from earlier Moto trunking technology to a Moto Pn-25/digital,Phase 2 system and I need a scanner for coverage of the "new technology" system. Your comments and observations will be much appreciated 73, Wally KC2PBK, Plattsburgh NY
When I went to school in Kingsville I passed through the Border Patrol checkpoints several times and never had a problem. I have only been asked once if that was a scanner in the car. I said yes and he said he stopped me because of a burned out taillight. He asked what I listened to and I replied I listened to the fire departments and EMS so I would know where the accidents on the highway were. Sure enough the fire tone went off on his radio and my scanner. He said now we both know where that accident is and got in his car and sped off. No warning or ticket. I have driven all over Central and south Texas and several other states and have only been asked once about the two antennas on the car. The antennas were for two bearcat scanners made in the eighties. One was UHF and the other VHF. I still use the antennas but the scanners are the TRX 1and the BCD 996P2. I also have a TRX 2 and BCD 325P2. Happy scanning.
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Re: Can anyone about laws on scanner
Matthew Roberts
I have the TRX-1, the handheld version. What questions do you
have?
-Matt
On 6/13/2020 9:32 AM, Wallace Day
wrote:
Hello Mark,
I am contemplating the purchase of a TRX-2. Whistler
scanners are quite obviously the current "reincarnation" of an
earlier generation of scanners private labeled by GRE for
Radio Shack and Uniden, among others and were always
excellent
My question is about your feelings and results with the
TRX-2. Our county (/Clinton in NYS) is getting ready to
migrate from earlier Moto trunking technology to a Moto
Pn-25/digital,Phase 2 system and I need a scanner for coverage
of the "new technology" system.
Your comments and observations will be much appreciated
73,
Wally
KC2PBK,
Plattsburgh NY
When I went to school in Kingsville I passed
through the Border Patrol checkpoints several times and
never had a problem. I have only been asked once if that was
a scanner in the car. I said yes and he said he stopped me
because of a burned out taillight. He asked what I listened
to and I replied I listened to the fire departments and EMS
so I would know where the accidents on the highway were.
Sure enough the fire tone went off on his radio and my
scanner. He said now we both know where that accident is and
got in his car and sped off. No warning or ticket. I have
driven all over Central and south Texas and several other
states and have only been asked once about the two antennas
on the car. The antennas were for two bearcat scanners made
in the eighties. One was UHF and the other VHF. I still use
the antennas but the scanners are the TRX 1and the BCD
996P2. I also have a TRX 2 and BCD 325P2. Happy scanning.
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Re: Can anyone about laws on scanner
Wallace Day <livefire17@...>
Hello Mark,
I am contemplating the purchase of a TRX-2. Whistler scanners are quite obviously the current "reincarnation" of an earlier generation of scanners private labeled by GRE for Radio Shack and Uniden, among others and were always excellent My question is about your feelings and results with the TRX-2. Our county (/Clinton in NYS) is getting ready to migrate from earlier Moto trunking technology to a Moto Pn-25/digital,Phase 2 system and I need a scanner for coverage of the "new technology" system. Your comments and observations will be much appreciated 73, Wally KC2PBK, Plattsburgh NY
When I went to school in Kingsville I passed through the Border Patrol checkpoints several times and never had a problem. I have only been asked once if that was a scanner in the car. I said yes and he said he stopped me because of a burned out taillight. He asked what I listened to and I replied I listened to the fire departments and EMS so I would know where the accidents on the highway were. Sure enough the fire tone went off on his radio and my scanner. He said now we both know where that accident is and got in his car and sped off. No warning or ticket. I have driven all over Central and south Texas and several other states and have only been asked once about the two antennas on the car. The antennas were for two bearcat scanners made in the eighties. One was UHF and the other VHF. I still use the antennas but the scanners are the TRX 1and the BCD 996P2. I also have a TRX 2 and BCD 325P2. Happy scanning.
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If you’re going to run 50 watts or more, yes. I can count on the fingers of one hand the number of times I had to go higher than 5 watts, and I’d still have a couple of fingers left over. At 5 or even 10 watts, probably no damage to your scanners. At 50 watts? Sure, that could be a problem. Probably best to turn the scanner off if you’re going to do that.
I've blown out the front end of a couple scanners by transmitting too close to them. It costs about $80 at Uniden to get it back up and running again.
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Me too and the bad thing if its local we listen to It may not be noticed until we get out in a distance Don KA9QJG PS . Many yrs ago had a small Scanner business Communications Research if you are old you may of seen My adds in Monitoring Times and Pop Com ..I would have scanners on display and an Officer or Ham would come in and transmit to hear themselves and blew the front end. also if they walked across the carpet static build up would occur and I had metal telescopic ants on them they would also get zapped and blow the front end.. I cured both problems by putting to diodes back to back on the ant input it takes the static and strong RF to ground .. Not easy to do with the new scanners .. Also if you have a scanner with a metal ant inside the house and walk across the carpet to adjust or touch the ant the static discharge can take out the front End ,,always ground your hand to something .. I watched a guy selling a scanner at a Hamfest AKA Flea Market I guy ask to see it and programmed his Two Way transmit Freq ..keyed it up and said testing 123 of course the Scanner heard him But he just blew the front end , He bought it took it home and it would not receive very well He got on his ham radio and bad mouthed the person he bought the scanner from WOW
From: main@Uniden.groups.io [mailto:main@Uniden.groups.io] On Behalf Of petvetredgtivr6 via groups.io
Sent: Friday, June 12, 2020 5:01 PM
To: main@uniden.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Uniden] WHAAAAAT? I've blown out the front end of a couple scanners by transmitting too close to them. It costs about $80 at Uniden to get it back up and running again.
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I've blown out the front end of a couple scanners by transmitting too close to them. It costs about $80 at Uniden to get it back up and running again.
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Real Men drill holes and do the job right LOL...make sure it’s your vehicle and not the Wife’s they do not understand ,,, But a mounted one done properly will work much better not only for a Scanner but also if you us a Transmitter . And a reminder if you have your expensive scanner antenna on a Vehicle and you use a transmitter you can blow the front end on the scanner ..Especially on the same band or close call.. I have done it a few times.. The biggest problem I have had with the Mag mounts is the coax under the molding and Water coming down into the vehicle .Also it is a pain to remove all at the vehicle wash Stay Safe and Healthy Don KA9QJG
From: main@Uniden.groups.io [mailto:main@Uniden.groups.io] On Behalf Of Glenn "Butch" Kanvick
Sent: Friday, June 12, 2020 2:19 PM
To: main@uniden.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Uniden] WHAAAAAT? OH, NO, those dreaded Mag mounts. I used a couple until I decided to pull the headliner and permanently mount the six antennas on the truck. On Fri, Jun 12, 2020 at 12:50 PM mikkut kut <mikekut@...> wrote:
Michael Martin, Well Said! The prime directives of scanning! This is the exact advice I give to new listeners.
Thanks!
Rule 1: Do not make it obvious you have a scanner in your vehicle
Rule 2: Do not look like a porcupine on your car (Multiple Antennas) - See
Rule 1.
Rule 3: Do not FLAUNT your scanner equipment to anyone and everyone - See
Rule 1.
Rule 4: Do not show up at ANY crime scene and have your scanner blaring -
See Rule 1.
Rule 5: Do not do ANYTHING that will get you noticed by law enforcement -
See Rule 1.
Rule 6: Do not SPOUT OFF anything to a law enforcement officer about the
legality of/your rights - See Rule 1.
Rule 7: If you are pulled over/stopped by a law enforcement officer, PLEASE
turn OFF your scanner - See Rule 1.
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Glenn (Butch) Kanvick
OH, NO, those dreaded Mag mounts. I used a couple until I decided to pull the headliner and permanently mount the six antennas on the truck.
On Fri, Jun 12, 2020 at 12:50 PM mikkut kut < mikekut@...> wrote:
Michael Martin, Well Said! The prime directives of scanning! This is the exact advice I give to new listeners.
Thanks!
Rule 1: Do not make it obvious you have a scanner in your vehicle
Rule 2: Do not look like a porcupine on your car (Multiple Antennas) - See
Rule 1.
Rule 3: Do not FLAUNT your scanner equipment to anyone and everyone - See
Rule 1.
Rule 4: Do not show up at ANY crime scene and have your scanner blaring -
See Rule 1.
Rule 5: Do not do ANYTHING that will get you noticed by law enforcement -
See Rule 1.
Rule 6: Do not SPOUT OFF anything to a law enforcement officer about the
legality of/your rights - See Rule 1.
Rule 7: If you are pulled over/stopped by a law enforcement officer, PLEASE
turn OFF your scanner - See Rule 1.
-- Glenn (Butch) Kanvick KE7FEL/R 1-406-655-1232
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Michael Martin, Well Said! The prime directives of scanning! This is the exact advice I give to new listeners.
Thanks!
Rule 1: Do not make it obvious you have a scanner in your vehicle
Rule 2: Do not look like a porcupine on your car (Multiple Antennas) - See
Rule 1.
Rule 3: Do not FLAUNT your scanner equipment to anyone and everyone - See
Rule 1.
Rule 4: Do not show up at ANY crime scene and have your scanner blaring -
See Rule 1.
Rule 5: Do not do ANYTHING that will get you noticed by law enforcement -
See Rule 1.
Rule 6: Do not SPOUT OFF anything to a law enforcement officer about the
legality of/your rights - See Rule 1.
Rule 7: If you are pulled over/stopped by a law enforcement officer, PLEASE
turn OFF your scanner - See Rule 1.
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Re: Can anyone about laws on scanner
TENNESSEE 39-13-601. Wiretapping and electronic surveillance Prohibited acts Exceptions. (6) It is unlawful to intercept any wire, oral, or electronic communication for the purpose of committing a criminal act. (7) It is lawful, unless otherwise prohibited by state or federal law, for any person: (A) To intercept or access an electronic communication made through an electronic communication system that is configured so that the electronic communication is readily accessible to the general public; (B) To intercept any radio communication that is transmitted by: (i) Any station for the use of the general public, or that relates to ships, aircraft, vehicles, or persons in distress; (ii) Any governmental, law enforcement, civil defense, private land mobile, or public safety communications system, including police and fire, readily accessible to the general public; (iii) Any station operating on an authorized frequency within the bands allocated to the amateur, citizens band, or general mobile radio services; or (iv) Any marine or aeronautical communications system; (C) To intercept any wire or electronic communication, the transmission of which is causing harmful interference with any lawfully operating station or consumer electronic equipment, to the extent necessary to identify the source of such interference; or (D) For other users of the same frequency to intercept any radio communication made through a system that utilizes frequencies monitored by individuals engaged in the provision or the use of such system, if such communication is not scrambled or encrypted.
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What is not specified is whether indirect reception 'counts'.
This is what has not been tested in court.
Cellphones are capable of receiving streaming which seems to meet the criteria of the law. Streaming of those signals can be received on cellphones. Cellphones can be carried by an individual.
It's not something I would want to defend in court since it could go either way.
The KEY here is "capable of receiving signals". It does not specify that the receiving has to be direct or that it must be "capable of TUNING to those signals".
Joe M.
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On 6/12/2020 8:59 AM, Matthew Roberts wrote: That's not necessarily true. This is Indiana's definition encoded in the
law:
(c) As used in this section, “police radio” means a radio that is
capable of sending or receiving signals transmitted on frequencies
assigned by the Federal Communications Commission for police emergency
purposes and that:
(1) can be installed, maintained, or operated in a vehicle; or
(2) can be operated while it is being carried by an individual.
The term does not include a radio designed for use only in a dwelling.
As you can see, it has to receive signals transmitted on police
frequencies, which a phone does not. To my knowledge, there hasn't been
any court cases determining one way or the other.
-Matt
On 6/11/2020 7:39 AM, Stephen Krug wrote:
Did you know that if you use a scanner app on your cell phone to
listen to scanner feeds your cell phone is considered a scanner under
the law.
Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S7 edge, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone
-------- Original message --------
From: Tim Ferguson <tferg53@...>
Date: 6/10/20 10:09 PM (GMT-06:00)
To: main@uniden.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Uniden] Can anyone about laws on scanner
So the people that provide scanner feeds via the Internet can be held
responsible, too, if their feed was used by a criminal committing a
crime to monitor where the police are while committing the crime?
Tim Ferguson
On Jun 10, 2020, at 6:29 PM, Stephen Krug <skrug4@...> wrote:
Here is what I found:
*Scanners* are legal to use anywhere in the state of *Illinois*. ...
Per federal *law*, it is *illegal* everywhere in the U.S. to
intentionally monitor pagers, phone communications of any type, or to
unscramble any encrypted communications.Nov 22, 2008
§ 8-4-059. Possession of scanners illegal.
<http://chicago-il.elaws.us/code/coor_t8_ch8-4_sec8-4-060>
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Latest version.
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(a) Whenever used in this section, the word “scanner” means a
radio set or apparatus (1) capable of receiving, transmitting, or
both receiving and transmitting radio messages or signals within
the wavelength or channel now or hereafter assigned by the
Federal Communications Commission or its successor for use by law
enforcement agencies; or (2) that may intercept or interfere with
the transmission or reception of radio messages or signals by the
department of police.
(b) No person shall use a scanner in such a way as to interfere
with messages transmitted or received by the department of
police. No person shall use a scanner to aid or abet the
performance of any act in violation of any law or ordinance. The
use of a scanner to aid or abet any illegal act shall be an
offense separate and distinct from such illegal act.
(c) Any person who violates this section shall be subject to a
fine of not less than $200.00 and not more than $500.00.
(Added Coun. J. 7-14-93, p. 35538)
On Wednesday, June 10, 2020, 6:19:26 PM CDT, Tim Ferguson
<tferg53@...> wrote:
Please don’t sigh, Joe, I have A.D.D., and often miss pertinent
information that others already know, from keeping up with what has
already been said. My apologies for making you go out of your way....:-)
Tim Ferguson
On Jun 10, 2020, at 5:32 PM, Joe M. <mch@... <mailto:mch@...>> wrote:
(sigh)....
<<http://www.fordyce.org/scanning/scanning_info/scanlaws.htm>>
That has info on ALL 50 states.
I can't say it's 100% current, but it will
give you a good place to start your research.
Joe M.
On 6/10/2020 2:46 PM, Tim Ferguson wrote:
Does anyone know about any laws pertaining to scanners in Illinois?
Tim Ferguson
On Jun 10, 2020, at 1:38 PM, Teton Amateur Radio Repeater Association
(TARRA) <tarra@... <mailto:tarra@...>> wrote:
http://www.fireline.org/scanlaws/scanner5.html
<http://www.fireline.org/scanlaws/scanner5.html > Looks rather out of
date. I'm also sure that using a radio to receive police
communications while committing a crime isn't going to be good
for you
anywhere.
Many, many years ago when I worked in television (engineering but
helped with news) in Indiana, one morning on the way into work I
heard
of an accident ahead on my normal route. I started going a different
route to bypass the accident. Then I heard a call for jumper cables
because they had a car stalled at the accident scene making another
problem. The only officer who had jumper cables was on the other end
of the county. So I showed up. I got out of my car and said I had
jumper cables. The officer said great, but how did you know we needed
jumper cables? I said I heard it on my scanner. He looked at my Ohio
license plate (I lived in Ohio) and he said you know it is illegal to
have a scanner in your car in Indiana? I said yes, I know that. I
told
him which station I worked for and said I would be glad to show
you my
media pass and scanner permit or we can just jump the car and get it
out of the way. He said lets just jump the car and get it out of the
way. Good choice, so that was what we did. I always figured that he
probably thought since I knew what I needed to have and was
willing to
show them that is wasn't worth the time to look.
Mick
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From: "Bernard Skoch via groups.io"
To: "jcl40511@... <mailto:yahoo.com@groups.io>" ,
"main@Uniden.groups.io <mailto:main@Uniden.groups.io>"
Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2020 11:27:45 AM
Subject: Re: [Uniden] Can anyone about laws on scanner
Can't vouch for accuracy, but here's a compilation of state laws.
http://www.fireline.org/scanlaws/scanner5.html
And here is Kentucky's statute:
http://www.fireline.org/scanlaws/laws/scanner/ky.html
Here is the only verbiage I can find that references hams:
Nothing contained in this section shall prohibit the possession
of a radio by:
(a) An individual who is a retailer or wholesaler and in the
ordinary course of his business offers such radios for sale
or resale;
(b) A commercial or educational radio or television station,
licensed by the Federal Communications Commission, at its
place of business; or
(c) An individual who possesses such a radio, provided it is
capable of receiving radio transmissions only and is not
capable of sending or transmitting radio messages, at his
place of residence; licensed commercial auto towing trucks;
newspaper reporters and photographers; emergency management
agency personnel authorized in writing by the director of
the division of emergency management (for state personnel)
or chief executive of the city or county (for their
respective personnel); a person holding a valid license
issued by the Federal Communications Commission in the
amateur radio service; peace officers authorized in writing
by the head of their law enforcement agency, Commonwealth's
attorneys and their assistants, county attorneys and their
assistants, except that it shall be unlawful to use such
radio to facilitate any criminal activity or to avoid
apprehension by law enforcement officers. Violation of this
section shall, in addition to any other penalty prescribed
by law, result in a forfeiture to the local law enforcement
agency of such radio.
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From: John Lewis via groups.io
To: main@Uniden.groups.io <mailto:main@Uniden.groups.io>
Sent: Wed, Jun 10, 2020 11:47 am
Subject: [Uniden] Can anyone about laws on scanner
I live in Kentucky I'm ham Operator weather have scanner in my
vehicle
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People like you are the reason "C" deck is now has encryption . Media showing up at a active scene before the cops
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-------- Original message -------- From: Roy Schahrer <n7qyk@...> Date: 6/11/20 11:31 PM (GMT-07:00) To: main@Uniden.groups.io Subject: Re: [Uniden] Can anyone about laws on scanner
Over the years I have had several interesting interactions with law enforcement regarding use of scanners. While returning back to Tucson Arizona from Nogales Arizona/Mexico late one evening I proceed thru the permanent border patrol check point that has been set up 10 miles or so North of the Mexico border. Back then US Customs and US Border Patrol were fully in the clear and they were an awesome listen. I always had a scanner locked on their channels 24/7. I drove into the checkpoint and had forgotten to turn the scanners down like I usually do in that situation. Right as the agent leaned down to ask the usual `US Citizen' question, both his handheld and my scanner both went off, and my scanner was louder than his handheld. He reacted with a chuckle and asked why I was listening to them and laughed when I told him that I enjoyed the adventures they got into. I was driving a little hatchback and had the back seat folded down and the back was full of computer merchandise that I had picked up earlier in the day, so he asked if he could check under the blankets covering the inside of the back of he hatchback. Turned out he owned a Commodore computer and the back of the car was full of Commodore goodies. I ended up with a good customer out of the interaction as he lived fairly close in Tucson to where the store I managed was located. In the late 90's into about 2008 I was a stringer news videographer on the weekends here in the Phoenix Arizona area and I used to chase news for all the television stations here in the area. One evening I was sitting a few blocks away from an active barricaded subject call waiting for a good time (since the subject was actively shooting at the time) to move up to the perimeter for video. One of the outer perimeter patrol units drove by my antenna laden pickup and I heard him call the sergeant and took him off to another channel and I herd him describe my truck and ask the sergeant if he felt that he should check me out further. The sergeant told him not to worry about me since he knew I was media and all I was waiting for was for them to shoot somebody. A few minutes later I saw the sergeant drive by my location, he waved and flashed his overhead lights as he passed my truck and we both got a good laugh later on at the scene. The subject had decided to turn himself in without further incident and it turned into a non story as far as the stations cared. Another evening I was sitting back from a possible house fire when a couple of officers walked by my vehicle. A rookie officer was quite taken by the radio stack (I think I was running about 8 radios that night along with a laptop in a pedestal mount running video editing software). He was about to get in my face when his training officer stepped in and said "Hi Roy, what's up?" Rookie realized that it wasn't going to be a good idea to get into it about the radios and commented to the training officer that I had more equipment then they had. The training officer had a simple response... "How do you think he gets to some scenes before we do?" :) In the 12-13 years that I chased weekend news I really never had any negative encounters regarding radios, being there sometimes was another story better left alone sometimes. I really enjoyed chasing news with a scanner and have made some lifelong friends with many in the law enforcement, fire services and media during my time chasing. I know it had to make my neigbors a bit curious seeing a live truck sitting in my driveway with its mast up feeding video when they wanted video faster than I could drive it into a station. Good times. Roy Schahrer N7QYK And I LOVE a good pursuit anytime, any day. :)
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Matthew Roberts
That's not necessarily true. This is Indiana's definition encoded
in the law:
(c) As used in this
section, “police
radio” means a radio that is capable of sending or
receiving signals transmitted on frequencies assigned by the
Federal Communications Commission for police emergency purposes
and that:
(1) can be installed, maintained, or
operated in a vehicle; or
(2) can be operated while it is being
carried by an individual.
The term does not
include a radio designed for use only in a dwelling.
As you can see, it has to receive
signals transmitted on police frequencies, which a phone does not.
To my knowledge, there hasn't been any court cases determining one
way or the other.
-Matt
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On 6/11/2020 7:39 AM, Stephen Krug
wrote:
Did you know that if you use a scanner app on
your cell phone to listen to scanner feeds your cell phone is
considered a scanner under the law.
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-------- Original message --------
Date: 6/10/20 10:09 PM (GMT-06:00)
Subject: Re: [Uniden] Can anyone about laws on scanner
So the people that provide scanner feeds via the Internet can be
held responsible, too, if their feed was used by a criminal
committing a crime to monitor where the police are while
committing the crime?
Tim Ferguson
On Jun 10, 2020, at 6:29 PM, Stephen
Krug <skrug4@...> wrote:
Here is what I found:
Scanners are
legal to use anywhere in the state of Illinois.
... Per federal law, it is illegal
everywhere in the U.S. to intentionally monitor
pagers, phone communications of any type, or to
unscramble any encrypted communications.Nov 22, 2008
§
8-4-059. Possession of scanners illegal.
Latest
version.
-
(a) Whenever used in this section, the word
“scanner” means a radio set or apparatus (1)
capable of receiving, transmitting, or both
receiving and transmitting radio messages or
signals within the wavelength or channel now or
hereafter assigned by the Federal Communications
Commission or its successor for use by law
enforcement agencies; or (2) that may intercept or
interfere with the transmission or reception of
radio messages or signals by the department of
police.
(b) No person shall use a scanner in such a way
as to interfere with messages transmitted or
received by the department of police. No person
shall use a scanner to aid or abet the performance
of any act in violation of any law or ordinance.
The use of a scanner to aid or abet any illegal
act shall be an offense separate and distinct from
such illegal act.
(c) Any person who violates this section shall
be subject to a fine of not less than $200.00 and
not more than $500.00.
(Added Coun. J. 7-14-93,
p. 35538)
On Wednesday, June 10, 2020, 6:19:26 PM CDT, Tim
Ferguson <tferg53@...> wrote:
Please don’t sigh, Joe, I have A.D.D.,
and often miss pertinent information that others
already know, from keeping up with what has already
been said. My apologies for making you go out of your
way....:-)
Tim Ferguson
> On Jun 10, 2020, at 5:32 PM, Joe M. < mch@...>
wrote:
>
> (sigh)....
>
> << http://www.fordyce.org/scanning/scanning_info/scanlaws.htm>>
>
> That has info on ALL 50 states.
>
> I can't say it's 100% current, but it will
> give you a good place to start your research.
>
> Joe M.
>
>> On 6/10/2020 2:46 PM, Tim Ferguson wrote:
>> Does anyone know about any laws pertaining to
scanners in Illinois?
>>
>> Tim Ferguson
>>
>>> On Jun 10, 2020, at 1:38 PM, Teton
Amateur Radio Repeater Association
>>> (TARRA) < tarra@...>
wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> http://www.fireline.org/scanlaws/scanner5.html
Looks rather out of
>>> date. I'm also sure that using a radio to
receive police
>>> communications while committing a crime
isn't going to be good for you
>>> anywhere.
>>>
>>> Many, many years ago when I worked in
television (engineering but
>>> helped with news) in Indiana, one morning
on the way into work I heard
>>> of an accident ahead on my normal route.
I started going a different
>>> route to bypass the accident. Then I
heard a call for jumper cables
>>> because they had a car stalled at the
accident scene making another
>>> problem. The only officer who had jumper
cables was on the other end
>>> of the county. So I showed up. I got out
of my car and said I had
>>> jumper cables. The officer said great,
but how did you know we needed
>>> jumper cables? I said I heard it on my
scanner. He looked at my Ohio
>>> license plate (I lived in Ohio) and he
said you know it is illegal to
>>> have a scanner in your car in Indiana? I
said yes, I know that. I told
>>> him which station I worked for and said I
would be glad to show you my
>>> media pass and scanner permit or we can
just jump the car and get it
>>> out of the way. He said lets just jump
the car and get it out of the
>>> way. Good choice, so that was what we
did. I always figured that he
>>> probably thought since I knew what I
needed to have and was willing to
>>> show them that is wasn't worth the time
to look.
>>>
>>> Mick
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Bernard Skoch via groups.io"
>>> To: "jcl40511= yahoo.com@groups.io" , " main@Uniden.groups.io"
>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2020 11:27:45
AM
>>> Subject: Re: [Uniden] Can anyone about
laws on scanner
>>>
>>> > Can't vouch for accuracy, but here's
a compilation of state laws.
>>> > http://www.fireline.org/scanlaws/scanner5.html
>>> > And here is Kentucky's statute:
>>> > http://www.fireline.org/scanlaws/laws/scanner/ky.html
>>> >
>>> > Here is the only verbiage I can find
that references hams:
>>> > Nothing contained in this section
shall prohibit the possession
>>> > of a radio by:
>>> >
>>> > (a) An individual who is a retailer
or wholesaler and in the
>>> > ordinary course of his business
offers such radios for sale
>>> > or resale;
>>> >
>>> > (b) A commercial or educational
radio or television station,
>>> > licensed by the Federal
Communications Commission, at its
>>> > place of business; or
>>> >
>>> > (c) An individual who possesses such
a radio, provided it is
>>> > capable of receiving radio
transmissions only and is not
>>> > capable of sending or transmitting
radio messages, at his
>>> > place of residence; licensed
commercial auto towing trucks;
>>> > newspaper reporters and
photographers; emergency management
>>> > agency personnel authorized in
writing by the director of
>>> > the division of emergency management
(for state personnel)
>>> > or chief executive of the city or
county (for their
>>> > respective personnel); a person
holding a valid license
>>> > issued by the Federal Communications
Commission in the
>>> > amateur radio service; peace
officers authorized in writing
>>> > by the head of their law enforcement
agency, Commonwealth's
>>> > attorneys and their assistants,
county attorneys and their
>>> > assistants, except that it shall be
unlawful to use such
>>> > radio to facilitate any criminal
activity or to avoid
>>> > apprehension by law enforcement
officers. Violation of this
>>> > section shall, in addition to any
other penalty prescribed
>>> > by law, result in a forfeiture to
the local law enforcement
>>> > agency of such radio.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > -----Original Message-----
>>> > From: John Lewis via groups.io
>>> > To: main@Uniden.groups.io
>>> > Sent: Wed, Jun 10, 2020 11:47 am
>>> > Subject: [Uniden] Can anyone about
laws on scanner
>>> >
>>> > I live in Kentucky I'm ham Operator
weather have scanner in my vehicle
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> --
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>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 0
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Re: Can anyone about laws on scanner
Matthew Roberts
I was given a verbal warning for carrying it on my person while
walking around the apartment complex in which I lived at the time.
They told me I could go to the Sheriff's Office and get a permit,
but the communications director refused to give me one because I
wasn't a cop, firefighter, or ham operator, all of which are
already exempt from the law anyway.
-Matt
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On 6/11/2020 11:13 AM, cbm guy wrote:
Has anyone actually been cited for or know anyone
who has actually been cited for using a mobile scanner in a
motor vehicle? What were the circumstances? This would seem to
to be a secondary or tertiary type offense that is added to an
underlying charge such as speeding, texting, open container etc.
and the officer just happens to see the scanner in your
vehicle. That assumes that an officer is even aware of a
statute that prohibits the use in a vehicle. Just because you
have a scanner in your vehicle doesn't necessarily mean you will
be cited for it.
I myself have had very infrequent interactions
with law enforcement but when I have been pulled over, the
presiding officer has never said anything about my scanner(s)OR
my radar detector. They are clearly visible and out in the
open. A couple of years ago we were stopped at a traffic
checkpoint on I-40 in New Mexico and the only thing the officer
said was that I had more antennas on my vehicle than he had on
his!!! True story.
Based on my observations and experiences, my guess
is that most law enforcement don't care about scanners in
vehicles as long as the scanner is not being used for an illegal
purpose (ie. eavesdropping), to evade capture or aid in fleeing
pursuit or using in in the commission of a felony. Today's
enforcement buzzwords are impaired driving, distracted driving
and drug transport prevention. And with the ability to scan on
phone apps, the subject of mobile may be somewhat of a stale and
moot issue.
Also, if it were a huge issue, at the federal
level the FCC could just stop issuing type certifications for
mobile scanners as the intended use could be seen as one for
installation in motor vehicles and thus could be a violation of
a state statute.
My opinions..
Chan
KB0ECO
Licensed Amateur since 1989
Sent from my
Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
-------- Original message --------
Date: 6/11/20 12:10 AM (GMT-06:00)
Subject: Re: [Uniden] Can anyone about laws on scanner
Joe , That is a great point and in Indiana We try and not talk
about it because the Way the Indiana scanner law is written It
state's a device cable of listening to Police calls.. That’s
right a Cell phone would be considered a device and if mobile or
not on your property or business it would be illegal unless
exempt.. But please be careful as scanner owners we do not want
the local PD that has Scanner laws to try this in court and be
right.
As everyone knows Apps work ok But not like a real Scanner that
we can lock on a Freq .. Example listening a App you hear
something bad in your hood and want to listen the next thig you
hear is the Dog catcher chasing a dog in another town , we are
at the mercy of whatever the provider set his scanner up for
,,And I know we have all read because of Apps that is why lots
of departments are going Encrypted that is another thread in
itself ..
Stay Safe and Healthy
Don KA9QJG
-----Original Message-----
From: main@Uniden.groups.io [mailto:main@Uniden.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Joe M.
Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2020 10:47 PM
To: main@Uniden.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Uniden] Can anyone about laws on scanner
That's the part that has never been tested in courts - like having
streaming vs scanner laws. Does it have to be direct reception or
can it
be indirect?
And to be clear, the person committing the crime would be charged
with
using the scanner in the furtherance of a crime. The feed provider
would
not be guilty since they didn't commit the crime. But they might
be
charged under the disclosure prohibition of the Communications Act
of
1934. That, too, has never been challenged in court. Is forwarding
a
signal "disclosure"? Like how many licks it takes to get to the
center
of a Tootsie Pop, we may never know.
Joe M.
On 6/10/2020 7:47 PM, Tim Ferguson wrote:
> So the people that provide scanner feeds via the Internet can
be held
> responsible, too, if their feed was used by a criminal
committing a
> crime to monitor where the police are while committing the
crime?
>
> Tim Ferguson
>
>> On Jun 10, 2020, at 6:29 PM, Stephen Krug
<skrug4@...> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Here is what I found:
>>
>> *Scanners* are legal to use anywhere in the state of
*Illinois*. ...
>> Per federal *law*, it is *illegal* everywhere in the U.S.
to
>> intentionally monitor pagers, phone communications of any
type, or to
>> unscramble any encrypted communications.Nov 22, 2008
>>
>>
>> § 8-4-059. Possession of scanners illegal.
>>
<http://chicago-il.elaws.us/code/coor_t8_ch8-4_sec8-4-060>
>>
>>
------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> *
>>
>>
>> *
>>
>>
>>
>> *
<http://www.elaws.us/subscriber/signin?returnurl=http://chicago-il.elaws.us/code/coor_t8_ch8-4_sec8-4-059>
>>
>>
>> Latest version.
>>
>> *
>>
>> (a) Whenever used in this section, the word
“scanner” means a
>> radio set or apparatus (1) capable of receiving,
transmitting, or
>> both receiving and transmitting radio messages or
signals within
>> the wavelength or channel now or hereafter assigned
by the Federal
>> Communications Commission or its successor for use by
law
>> enforcement agencies; or (2) that may intercept or
interfere with
>> the transmission or reception of radio messages or
signals by the
>> department of police.
>>
>> (b) No person shall use a scanner in such a way as
to interfere
>> with messages transmitted or received by the
department of police.
>> No person shall use a scanner to aid or abet the
performance of
>> any act in violation of any law or ordinance. The use
of a scanner
>> to aid or abet any illegal act shall be an offense
separate and
>> distinct from such illegal act.
>>
>> (c) Any person who violates this section shall be
subject to a
>> fine of not less than $200.00 and not more than
$500.00.
>>
>> (Added Coun. J. 7-14-93, p. 35538)
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, June 10, 2020, 6:19:26 PM CDT, Tim Ferguson
>> <tferg53@...> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Please don’t sigh, Joe, I have A.D.D., and often miss
pertinent
>> information that others already know, from keeping up
with what has
>> already been said. My apologies for making you go out of
your way....:-)
>>
>> Tim Ferguson
>>
>> > On Jun 10, 2020, at 5:32 PM, Joe M. <mch@...
<mailto:mch@...>>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > (sigh)....
>> >
>> >
<<http://www.fordyce.org/scanning/scanning_info/scanlaws.htm>>
>> >
>> > That has info on ALL 50 states.
>> >
>> > I can't say it's 100% current, but it will
>> > give you a good place to start your research.
>> >
>> > Joe M.
>> >
>> >> On 6/10/2020 2:46 PM, Tim Ferguson wrote:
>> >> Does anyone know about any laws pertaining to
scanners in Illinois?
>> >>
>> >> Tim Ferguson
>> >>
>> >>> On Jun 10, 2020, at 1:38 PM, Teton Amateur
Radio Repeater Association
>> >>> (TARRA) <tarra@...
<mailto:tarra@...>> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
http://www.fireline.org/scanlaws/scanner5.html Looks rather out of
>> >>> date. I'm also sure that using a radio to
receive police
>> >>> communications while committing a crime
isn't going to be good for you
>> >>> anywhere.
>> >>>
>> >>> Many, many years ago when I worked in
television (engineering but
>> >>> helped with news) in Indiana, one morning on
the way into work I heard
>> >>> of an accident ahead on my normal route. I
started going a different
>> >>> route to bypass the accident. Then I heard a
call for jumper cables
>> >>> because they had a car stalled at the
accident scene making another
>> >>> problem. The only officer who had jumper
cables was on the other end
>> >>> of the county. So I showed up. I got out of
my car and said I had
>> >>> jumper cables. The officer said great, but
how did you know we needed
>> >>> jumper cables? I said I heard it on my
scanner. He looked at my Ohio
>> >>> license plate (I lived in Ohio) and he said
you know it is illegal to
>> >>> have a scanner in your car in Indiana? I
said yes, I know that. I told
>> >>> him which station I worked for and said I
would be glad to show you my
>> >>> media pass and scanner permit or we can just
jump the car and get it
>> >>> out of the way. He said lets just jump the
car and get it out of the
>> >>> way. Good choice, so that was what we did. I
always figured that he
>> >>> probably thought since I knew what I needed
to have and was willing to
>> >>> show them that is wasn't worth the time to
look.
>> >>>
>> >>> Mick
>> >>>
>> >>> ----- Original Message -----
>> >>> From: "Bernard Skoch via groups.io"
>> >>> To: "jcl40511@...
<mailto:yahoo.com@groups.io>" ,
>> "main@Uniden.groups.io
<mailto:main@Uniden.groups.io>"
>> >>> Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2020 11:27:45 AM
>> >>> Subject: Re: [Uniden] Can anyone about laws
on scanner
>> >>>
>> >>> > Can't vouch for accuracy, but here's a
compilation of state laws.
>> >>> >
http://www.fireline.org/scanlaws/scanner5.html
>> >>> > And here is Kentucky's statute:
>> >>> >
http://www.fireline.org/scanlaws/laws/scanner/ky.html
>> >>> >
>> >>> > Here is the only verbiage I can find
that references hams:
>> >>> > Nothing contained in this section shall
prohibit the possession
>> >>> > of a radio by:
>> >>> >
>> >>> > (a) An individual who is a retailer or
wholesaler and in the
>> >>> > ordinary course of his business offers
such radios for sale
>> >>> > or resale;
>> >>> >
>> >>> > (b) A commercial or educational radio
or television station,
>> >>> > licensed by the Federal Communications
Commission, at its
>> >>> > place of business; or
>> >>> >
>> >>> > (c) An individual who possesses such a
radio, provided it is
>> >>> > capable of receiving radio
transmissions only and is not
>> >>> > capable of sending or transmitting
radio messages, at his
>> >>> > place of residence; licensed commercial
auto towing trucks;
>> >>> > newspaper reporters and photographers;
emergency management
>> >>> > agency personnel authorized in writing
by the director of
>> >>> > the division of emergency management
(for state personnel)
>> >>> > or chief executive of the city or
county (for their
>> >>> > respective personnel); a person holding
a valid license
>> >>> > issued by the Federal Communications
Commission in the
>> >>> > amateur radio service; peace officers
authorized in writing
>> >>> > by the head of their law enforcement
agency, Commonwealth's
>> >>> > attorneys and their assistants, county
attorneys and their
>> >>> > assistants, except that it shall be
unlawful to use such
>> >>> > radio to facilitate any criminal
activity or to avoid
>> >>> > apprehension by law enforcement
officers. Violation of this
>> >>> > section shall, in addition to any other
penalty prescribed
>> >>> > by law, result in a forfeiture to the
local law enforcement
>> >>> > agency of such radio.
>> >>> >
>> >>> >
>> >>> > -----Original Message-----
>> >>> > From: John Lewis via groups.io
>> >>> > To: main@Uniden.groups.io
<mailto:main@Uniden.groups.io>
>> >>> > Sent: Wed, Jun 10, 2020 11:47 am
>> >>> > Subject: [Uniden] Can anyone about laws
on scanner
>> >>> >
>> >>> > I live in Kentucky I'm ham Operator
weather have scanner in my
>> vehicle
>> >>> >
>> >>> >
>> >>> >
>> >>> >
>> >>> >
>> >>> --
>> >>> Untitled Document
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> 0
>> >>
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From: main@Uniden.groups.io [mailto:main@Uniden.groups.io] On Behalf Of KA9QJG
Sent: Friday, June 12, 2020 3:10 AM
To: main@Uniden.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Uniden] WHAAAAAT? Wow As describe I Must be a Whacker,,,, NO Just a Scanner Listener over 50 yrs and tracking down idiots who use cheap BO-thng type radios and Interfere with PD/FD Communications and more Stay Safe and Healthy Also worked Law Enforcement, Yes I had problems with the Indiana Scanner Law until I made copies of the Law and met with Chiefs of PD and others the copies were passed out and put in the squads and I explained how responsible scanner listeners are their friends and have helped many times being the eyes and the ears of the community .. Don KA9QJG Ps ..Please do not mount equipment like I did it is dangerous if you get in wreck have it installed professional I do not drive fast and most of my listening is parked getting signals and directions ..to follow up on investigations of illegal dangerous interference ...I told them to contact the FCC They were told they did not have the money or manpower to have someone set at 3 in the morning waiting on someone who may or may not transmit.. As a scanner listener you hear stuff like this document the time date and if possible record and try to help out .. 
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Wow As describe I Must be a Whacker,,,, NO Just a Scanner Listener over 50 yrs and tracking down idiots who use cheap BO-thng type radios and Interfere with PD/FD Communications and more Stay Safe and Healthy Also worked Law Enforcement, Yes I had problems with the Indiana Scanner Law until I made copies of the Law and met with Chiefs of PD and others the copies were passed out and put in the squads and I explained how responsible scanner listeners are their friends and have helped many times being the eyes and the ears of the community .. Don KA9QJG Ps ..Please do not mount equipment like I did it is dangerous if you get in wreck have it installed professional I do not drive fast and most of my listening is parked getting signals and directions ..to follow up on investigations of illegal dangerous interference ...I told them to contact the FCC They were told they did not have the money or manpower to have someone set at 3 in the morning waiting on someone who may or may not transmit.. As a scanner listener you hear stuff like this document the time date and if possible record and try to help out .. 
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