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Re: SDS 100 Charging light.

Don Safer
 

My city here in Florida went encrypted a couple of months ago.
 
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---------- Original Message ----------
From: "Gigu chan" <rudebwai@...>
To: <main@Uniden.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [Uniden] SDS 100 Charging light.
Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2020 16:42:23 -0400

Florida  might become a  retirement  place for me….  Well maybe….

I have loads of other hobbys.

 

Cheers

 

From: main@Uniden.groups.io <main@Uniden.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joe Polcari
Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2020 11:20
To: main@Uniden.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Uniden] SDS 100 Charging light.

 

Florida law enforcement is 99% encrypted –

 

From: <main@Uniden.groups.io> on behalf of "nomadvrod via groups.io" <nomadvrod@...>
Reply-To: <main@Uniden.groups.io>
Date: Wednesday, June 10, 2020 at 6:26 PM
To: "main@Uniden.groups.io" <main@Uniden.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [Uniden] SDS 100 Charging light.

 

Well,he is accurate about the fruitcakes in California,and as far as scrambling in Orlando?is it encrypted?voice inversion?,dmr?open sky?maybe learn to use the search function on your scanner?or maybe ebay can help you?,,find out what they are using,and if you have a 396t scanner,it will unscramble stuff its not supposed to,trying to help you,

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: don robinson via groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2020 12:32 PM
To: main@Uniden.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Uniden] SDS 100 Charging light.

 

A library is an organized collection of published material. They showed you in the second grade. Your fault if you forgot after all these years.

 

On Wednesday, June 10, 2020, 12:21:27 PM PDT, pcbutts1 via groups.io <pcbutts1@...> wrote:

 

 

What’s a library?

 

 

From: main@Uniden.groups.io <main@Uniden.groups.io> On Behalf Of don robinson via groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2020 12:03 PM
To: main@Uniden.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Uniden] SDS 100 Charging light.

 

Don't come in here name calling. It is very undignified. In California, having a scanner in your car and listening to it is NOT illegal. There are other states that prohibit it. A couple of laws in California concerning scanners are, their use *to avoid prosecution* is illegal and repeating certain communication is prohibited  Also using a scanner to evesdrop  on cordless or cellphones is illegal and using frequency dividers on a scanner is illegal. If you aren't satisfied with that, use a public library to look up and read your local laws. Libraries have digital catalogs, just in case you haven't been near one during this century.

 

 

 

On Tuesday, June 9, 2020, 10:06:26 PM PDT, clive frazier via groups.io <clive99w@...> wrote:

 

 

Joe: 

 

Could you please explain further what the fruitcakes in California did? Does that make ANY scanner illegal in California? Only those scanners that can be charged while in a car? Mobile/base vs. hand held? 

 

Some states have laws that prohibit scanners in a car unless you have a valid amateur radio license. Do you have a list of those states? 

 

General comment on scanning. Had a week of the usual protests (riots) here in Orlando. Everything scrambled. Could not listen to anything. Unless Uniden comes up with a scanner that can decode scrambled voice, the only thing to listen to will be taxi cabs, but they are all going to Uber so that means cell phones. I think we have a dying hobby. 

 

Clive, K9FWF

 

 

On Monday, June 8, 2020, 03:20:00 AM EDT, Joe M. <mch@...> wrote:

 

 

Since you are 'down under' you need to review California's laws that
made non-USB charging effectively illegal. Uniden even had to redesign
the BC346XT to make it confirm and the revised model was the BC346XTC (C
for California). In that case the redesign was to remove the charging
capability (it was not possible to change the coaxial jack to USB).

Uniden didn't drop the ball - the ball was stolen by California.

Joe M.

On 6/8/2020 3:05 AM, Doug J wrote:
> Sounds like Uniden has dropped the ball with their build quality, they
> need to lift their game.
>
> They should go back to a separate DC plug for charging, even if it is
> 5V, which is much more robust. Have a USB to DC plug lead.
>
> Then the USB socket on the scanner can be just for data and programming.
>
> Regards,
>
> Doug VK2XLJ

 

 

Virus-free. www.avast.com

 

 


Re: WHAAAAAT?

KA9QJG
 

Aman

-----Original Message-----
From: main@Uniden.groups.io [mailto:main@Uniden.groups.io] On Behalf Of robertwichert
Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2020 8:04 PM
To: main@Uniden.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Uniden] WHAAAAAT?

Oh yeah.



Robert Wichert
PEng LEED AP
HERS I/II 2016/2019 #CC2006186
Office: +1 916 966 9060
Mobile: +1 916 712 4481

On 6/11/2020 5:49 PM, Michael Martin via groups.io wrote:
This Is something I have told people for DECADES about the legality of a
mobile scanner:

Rule 1: Do not make it obvious you have a scanner in your vehicle
Rule 2: Do not look like a porcupine on your car (Multiple Antennas) - See
Rule 1.
Rule 3: Do not FLAUNT your scanner equipment to anyone and everyone - See
Rule 1.
Rule 4: Do not show up at ANY crime scene and have your scanner blaring -
See Rule 1.
Rule 5: Do not do ANYTHING that will get you noticed by law enforcement -
See Rule 1.
Rule 6: Do not SPOUT OFF anything to a law enforcement officer about the
legality of/your rights - See Rule 1.
Rule 7: If you are pulled over/stopped by a law enforcement officer, PLEASE
turn OFF your scanner - See Rule 1.

Make sense?

/\/\|k.e

-----Original Message-----
From: main@Uniden.groups.io <main@Uniden.groups.io> On Behalf Of Phil Aziz
via groups.io
Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2020 18:13
To: main@uniden.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Uniden] WHAAAAAT?

Both radar detectors and scanners are Legal in Michigan

Phil







Re: WHAAAAAT?

robertwichert
 

Oh yeah.



Robert Wichert
PEng LEED AP
HERS I/II 2016/2019 #CC2006186
Office: +1 916 966 9060
Mobile: +1 916 712 4481

On 6/11/2020 5:49 PM, Michael Martin via groups.io wrote:
This Is something I have told people for DECADES about the legality of a
mobile scanner:

Rule 1: Do not make it obvious you have a scanner in your vehicle
Rule 2: Do not look like a porcupine on your car (Multiple Antennas) - See
Rule 1.
Rule 3: Do not FLAUNT your scanner equipment to anyone and everyone - See
Rule 1.
Rule 4: Do not show up at ANY crime scene and have your scanner blaring -
See Rule 1.
Rule 5: Do not do ANYTHING that will get you noticed by law enforcement -
See Rule 1.
Rule 6: Do not SPOUT OFF anything to a law enforcement officer about the
legality of/your rights - See Rule 1.
Rule 7: If you are pulled over/stopped by a law enforcement officer, PLEASE
turn OFF your scanner - See Rule 1.

Make sense?

/\/\|k.e

-----Original Message-----
From: main@Uniden.groups.io <main@Uniden.groups.io> On Behalf Of Phil Aziz
via groups.io
Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2020 18:13
To: main@uniden.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Uniden] WHAAAAAT?

Both radar detectors and scanners are Legal in Michigan

Phil






Re: WHAAAAAT?

Michael Martin
 

This Is something I have told people for DECADES about the legality of a
mobile scanner:

Rule 1: Do not make it obvious you have a scanner in your vehicle
Rule 2: Do not look like a porcupine on your car (Multiple Antennas) - See
Rule 1.
Rule 3: Do not FLAUNT your scanner equipment to anyone and everyone - See
Rule 1.
Rule 4: Do not show up at ANY crime scene and have your scanner blaring -
See Rule 1.
Rule 5: Do not do ANYTHING that will get you noticed by law enforcement -
See Rule 1.
Rule 6: Do not SPOUT OFF anything to a law enforcement officer about the
legality of/your rights - See Rule 1.
Rule 7: If you are pulled over/stopped by a law enforcement officer, PLEASE
turn OFF your scanner - See Rule 1.

Make sense?

/\/\|k.e

-----Original Message-----
From: main@Uniden.groups.io <main@Uniden.groups.io> On Behalf Of Phil Aziz
via groups.io
Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2020 18:13
To: main@uniden.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Uniden] WHAAAAAT?

Both radar detectors and scanners are Legal in Michigan

Phil


Re: WHAAAAAT?

Christopher Nelsen
 

Back in the 60’s I ran 150 watts mobile on 2 meters in to a Collinear  antenna on the roof of my truck. Going to work I always caught up to a guy that was using a cruse control while on the highway. I could get up close to him, key the transmitter and cause his cruse control to floor the accelerator. 
The first couple of times it happened I wondered why he all of a sudden took off so fast. After I figured out what was going on I had to play with it a few more times. I bet he had a story to tell his mechanic. 
Back then not much EMI testing was done on automobiles. 
Chris
WD9HIK



On Thursday, June 11, 2020, 5:13 PM, Phil Aziz via groups.io <flippus1@...> wrote:

Both radar detectors and scanners are Legal in Michigan

Phil




Re: WHAAAAAT?

Phil Aziz
 

Both radar detectors and scanners are Legal in Michigan

Phil


Re: SDS 100 Charging light.

Gigu chan
 

Florida  might become a  retirement  place for me….  Well maybe….

I have loads of other hobbys.

 

Cheers

 

From: main@Uniden.groups.io <main@Uniden.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joe Polcari
Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2020 11:20
To: main@Uniden.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Uniden] SDS 100 Charging light.

 

Florida law enforcement is 99% encrypted –

 

From: <main@Uniden.groups.io> on behalf of "nomadvrod via groups.io" <nomadvrod@...>
Reply-To: <main@Uniden.groups.io>
Date: Wednesday, June 10, 2020 at 6:26 PM
To: "main@Uniden.groups.io" <main@Uniden.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [Uniden] SDS 100 Charging light.

 

Well,he is accurate about the fruitcakes in California,and as far as scrambling in Orlando?is it encrypted?voice inversion?,dmr?open sky?maybe learn to use the search function on your scanner?or maybe ebay can help you?,,find out what they are using,and if you have a 396t scanner,it will unscramble stuff its not supposed to,trying to help you,

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: don robinson via groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2020 12:32 PM
To: main@Uniden.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Uniden] SDS 100 Charging light.

 

A library is an organized collection of published material. They showed you in the second grade. Your fault if you forgot after all these years.

 

On Wednesday, June 10, 2020, 12:21:27 PM PDT, pcbutts1 via groups.io <pcbutts1@...> wrote:

 

 

What’s a library?

 

 

From: main@Uniden.groups.io <main@Uniden.groups.io> On Behalf Of don robinson via groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2020 12:03 PM
To: main@Uniden.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Uniden] SDS 100 Charging light.

 

Don't come in here name calling. It is very undignified. In California, having a scanner in your car and listening to it is NOT illegal. There are other states that prohibit it. A couple of laws in California concerning scanners are, their use *to avoid prosecution* is illegal and repeating certain communication is prohibited  Also using a scanner to evesdrop  on cordless or cellphones is illegal and using frequency dividers on a scanner is illegal. If you aren't satisfied with that, use a public library to look up and read your local laws. Libraries have digital catalogs, just in case you haven't been near one during this century.

 

 

 

On Tuesday, June 9, 2020, 10:06:26 PM PDT, clive frazier via groups.io <clive99w@...> wrote:

 

 

Joe: 

 

Could you please explain further what the fruitcakes in California did? Does that make ANY scanner illegal in California? Only those scanners that can be charged while in a car? Mobile/base vs. hand held? 

 

Some states have laws that prohibit scanners in a car unless you have a valid amateur radio license. Do you have a list of those states? 

 

General comment on scanning. Had a week of the usual protests (riots) here in Orlando. Everything scrambled. Could not listen to anything. Unless Uniden comes up with a scanner that can decode scrambled voice, the only thing to listen to will be taxi cabs, but they are all going to Uber so that means cell phones. I think we have a dying hobby. 

 

Clive, K9FWF

 

 

On Monday, June 8, 2020, 03:20:00 AM EDT, Joe M. <mch@...> wrote:

 

 

Since you are 'down under' you need to review California's laws that
made non-USB charging effectively illegal. Uniden even had to redesign
the BC346XT to make it confirm and the revised model was the BC346XTC (C
for California). In that case the redesign was to remove the charging
capability (it was not possible to change the coaxial jack to USB).

Uniden didn't drop the ball - the ball was stolen by California.

Joe M.

On 6/8/2020 3:05 AM, Doug J wrote:
> Sounds like Uniden has dropped the ball with their build quality, they
> need to lift their game.
>
> They should go back to a separate DC plug for charging, even if it is
> 5V, which is much more robust. Have a USB to DC plug lead.
>
> Then the USB socket on the scanner can be just for data and programming.
>
> Regards,
>
> Doug VK2XLJ

 

Virus-free. www.avast.com

 


Re: WHAAAAAT?

Shawn Benoit
 

Not illegal in CT



On Thu, Jun 11, 2020 at 12:54 James F. Boehner, MD via groups.io <jboehner01=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
OK, I can't hold back anymore.

Radar Detectors are legal in all states for passenger cars with the exception of Virginia and D.C.

10.5 G is actually the "X" band (shared with amateur radio).  24 G is the "K" band and 36G is the "Ka" band.

And as you impress the officer with your knowledge of radio theory, you may be rewarded with "Step out of the car please, and keep your hands where I can see them".  "Remember, I'm handcuffing you for your protection!"

Just 'sayin'

'73 de JIM N2ZZ

-----Original Message-----
From: main@Uniden.groups.io [mailto:main@Uniden.groups.io] On Behalf Of KA9QJG
Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2020 12:48 AM
To: main@Uniden.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Uniden] SDS 100 Charging light.

John,   You and others  are a Ham Next time  they  use the K Band and your detector goes Off ask the Officer why is He transmitting  to your 10.5 G Lic Amateur Radio Freq   Radar ham receiver   Amateur Radio lic and calibration

The amateur radio band is between 10.00 GHz and 10.50 GHz, and the amateur satellite band is between 10.45 GHz and 10.50 GHz. The allocations are the same in all three ITU regions

Stay Safe and Healthy  Don KA9QJG

-----Original Message-----
From: main@Uniden.groups.io [mailto:main@Uniden.groups.io] On Behalf Of John Etling
Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2020 10:18 PM
To: main@Uniden.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Uniden] SDS 100 Charging light.

Radar detectors are illegal in most states... in any type of vehicle.

--John K3JAE

-----Original Message-----
From: main@Uniden.groups.io <main@Uniden.groups.io> On Behalf Of KA9QJG
Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2020 19:28
To: main@Uniden.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Uniden] SDS 100 Charging light.

Not  your California answer  but   Il an Indiana  it is illegal to have Radar detectors in  Commercial vehicles  like  trucks

Stay Safe and Healthy Don KA9QJG

-----Original Message-----
From: main@Uniden.groups.io [mailto:main@Uniden.groups.io] On Behalf Of Evan Platt
Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2020 7:16 PM
To: main@uniden.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Uniden] SDS 100 Charging light.

What in your trucks are illegal in California?

On Wed, Jun 10, 2020 at 4:20 PM John Etling <john@...> wrote:
>
> I can attest to your LAST few comments of your statement. This is why I no longer permit ANY of my trucks (over the road) to enter into California any longer. It simply is not worth the hassle of complying with assinine rules that were pulled out of someone's ear.

















Re: WHAAAAAT?

Jim Walls
 

On 06/11/2020 10:12, Lloyd Mitchell wrote:
A ham I knew would use a well available ramsey kit to "practice" cw  when in the road. He said he could tell who had radar detectors by the brake lights ahead of him..lol
A friend of mine years ago had a 10GHz Gunnplexor on his rear deck pointed backwards.  When a big rig truck would follow just a few feet back (as they so often do), he would flip on the Gunnplexor which would trigger the radar detector that most of the trucks had and they would back right off.

--
73
-------------------------------------
Jim Walls - K6CCC
jim@k6ccc.org
Ofc: 818-548-4804
http://members.dslextreme.com/users/k6ccc/
AMSAT Member 32537 - WSWSS Member 395


Re: Can anyone about laws on scanner

Paul Crane
 

...and not be convicted of a felony in the last 5 years.

Thanks, Paul KC8YQQ


From: main@Uniden.groups.io <main@Uniden.groups.io> on behalf of W8SWL <hosmer@...>
Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2020 9:23 AM
To: main@Uniden.groups.io <main@Uniden.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [Uniden] Can anyone about laws on scanner
 
Michigan use to be a "by permit" state where anyone other than a LEO needed a permit to have a mobile scanner in a vehicle with an amateur radio exception since our 2 meter xcvr's also received some older police freqs.   The Michigan State Police got tired of issuing permits and had the law changed.  Now anyone can have a mobile scanner UNLESS they were in the commission of a crime when using it.  Then the book got thrown at you.

So you can drive through MI with your scanner and not fear an arrest unless you are committing crimes.

73,  Don  W8SWL


Re: WHAAAAAT?

Lloyd Mitchell
 

A ham I knew would use a well available ramsey kit to "practice" cw  when in the road. He said he could tell who had radar detectors by the brake lights ahead of him..lol

73  Lloyd KO4L 

On Thu, Jun 11, 2020, 12:54 PM James F. Boehner, MD via groups.io <jboehner01=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
OK, I can't hold back anymore.

Radar Detectors are legal in all states for passenger cars with the exception of Virginia and D.C.

10.5 G is actually the "X" band (shared with amateur radio).  24 G is the "K" band and 36G is the "Ka" band.

And as you impress the officer with your knowledge of radio theory, you may be rewarded with "Step out of the car please, and keep your hands where I can see them".  "Remember, I'm handcuffing you for your protection!"

Just 'sayin'

'73 de JIM N2ZZ

-----Original Message-----
From: main@Uniden.groups.io [mailto:main@Uniden.groups.io] On Behalf Of KA9QJG
Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2020 12:48 AM
To: main@Uniden.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Uniden] SDS 100 Charging light.

John,   You and others  are a Ham Next time  they  use the K Band and your detector goes Off ask the Officer why is He transmitting  to your 10.5 G Lic Amateur Radio Freq   Radar ham receiver   Amateur Radio lic and calibration

The amateur radio band is between 10.00 GHz and 10.50 GHz, and the amateur satellite band is between 10.45 GHz and 10.50 GHz. The allocations are the same in all three ITU regions

Stay Safe and Healthy  Don KA9QJG

-----Original Message-----
From: main@Uniden.groups.io [mailto:main@Uniden.groups.io] On Behalf Of John Etling
Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2020 10:18 PM
To: main@Uniden.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Uniden] SDS 100 Charging light.

Radar detectors are illegal in most states... in any type of vehicle.

--John K3JAE

-----Original Message-----
From: main@Uniden.groups.io <main@Uniden.groups.io> On Behalf Of KA9QJG
Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2020 19:28
To: main@Uniden.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Uniden] SDS 100 Charging light.

Not  your California answer  but   Il an Indiana  it is illegal to have Radar detectors in  Commercial vehicles  like  trucks

Stay Safe and Healthy Don KA9QJG

-----Original Message-----
From: main@Uniden.groups.io [mailto:main@Uniden.groups.io] On Behalf Of Evan Platt
Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2020 7:16 PM
To: main@uniden.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Uniden] SDS 100 Charging light.

What in your trucks are illegal in California?

On Wed, Jun 10, 2020 at 4:20 PM John Etling <john@...> wrote:
>
> I can attest to your LAST few comments of your statement. This is why I no longer permit ANY of my trucks (over the road) to enter into California any longer. It simply is not worth the hassle of complying with assinine rules that were pulled out of someone's ear.

















Re: Can anyone about laws on scanner

cbm guy
 

Has anyone actually been cited for or know anyone who has actually been cited for using a mobile scanner in a motor vehicle?  What were the circumstances?  This would seem to to be a secondary or tertiary type offense that is added to an underlying charge such as speeding, texting, open container etc. and the officer just happens to see the scanner in your vehicle.  That assumes that an officer is even aware of a statute that prohibits the use in a vehicle.  Just because you have a scanner in your vehicle doesn't necessarily mean you will be cited for it. 

I myself have had very infrequent interactions with law enforcement but when I have been pulled over, the presiding officer has never said anything about my scanner(s)OR my radar detector.  They are clearly visible and out in the open.   A couple of years ago we were stopped at a traffic checkpoint on I-40 in New Mexico and the only thing the officer said was that I had more antennas on my vehicle than he had on his!!!  True story.

Based on my observations and experiences, my guess is that most law enforcement don't care about scanners in vehicles as long as the scanner is not being used for an illegal purpose (ie. eavesdropping), to evade capture or aid in fleeing pursuit or using in in the commission of a felony.  Today's enforcement buzzwords are impaired driving, distracted driving and drug transport prevention.  And with the ability to scan on phone apps, the subject of mobile may be somewhat of a stale and moot issue. 

Also, if it were a huge issue, at the federal level the FCC could just stop issuing type certifications for mobile scanners as the intended use could be seen as one for installation in motor vehicles and thus could be a violation of a state statute. 

My opinions..



Chan
KB0ECO
Licensed Amateur since 1989




Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone


-------- Original message --------
From: KA9QJG <KA9QJG@...>
Date: 6/11/20 12:10 AM (GMT-06:00)
To: main@Uniden.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Uniden] Can anyone about laws on scanner

Joe   , That is a great point and in Indiana  We try and not talk about it because  the Way the Indiana scanner law is written It state's   a device cable of  listening  to Police calls.. That’s right a Cell phone  would be considered a  device and if mobile or not on your property  or business  it would be illegal unless   exempt.. But please  be careful as scanner owners  we do not want the local PD  that has Scanner laws to try this in court and be right.
As everyone knows  Apps work ok But not like a real Scanner  that we can lock on a Freq .. Example listening a App you hear something bad in your hood and want to listen  the next thig you hear is the Dog  catcher chasing a dog in another  town , we are at the mercy of whatever  the provider   set his scanner  up for  ,,And I know we  have all read  because of Apps that is why lots of departments are  going Encrypted that is  another  thread  in itself ..

Stay Safe and Healthy

Don KA9QJG

-----Original Message-----
From: main@Uniden.groups.io [mailto:main@Uniden.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joe M.
Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2020 10:47 PM
To: main@Uniden.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Uniden] Can anyone about laws on scanner

That's the part that has never been tested in courts - like having
streaming vs scanner laws. Does it have to be direct reception or can it
be indirect?

And to be clear, the person committing the crime would be charged with
using the scanner in the furtherance of a crime. The feed provider would
not be guilty since they didn't commit the crime. But they might be
charged under the disclosure prohibition of the Communications Act of
1934. That, too, has never been challenged in court. Is forwarding a
signal "disclosure"? Like how many licks it takes to get to the center
of a Tootsie Pop, we may never know.

Joe M.

On 6/10/2020 7:47 PM, Tim Ferguson wrote:
> So the people that provide scanner feeds via the Internet can be held
> responsible, too, if their feed was used by a criminal committing a
> crime to monitor where the police are while committing the crime?
>
> Tim Ferguson
>
>> On Jun 10, 2020, at 6:29 PM, Stephen Krug <skrug4@...> wrote:
>>
>> 
>> Here is what I found:
>>
>> *Scanners* are legal to use anywhere in the state of *Illinois*. ...
>> Per federal *law*, it is *illegal* everywhere in the U.S. to
>> intentionally monitor pagers, phone communications of any type, or to
>> unscramble any encrypted communications.Nov 22, 2008
>>
>>
>>   § 8-4-059. Possession of scanners illegal.
>>   <http://chicago-il.elaws.us/code/coor_t8_ch8-4_sec8-4-060>
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>>  *
>>
>>
>>  *
>>
>>
>>
>>   * <http://www.elaws.us/subscriber/signin?returnurl=http://chicago-il.elaws.us/code/coor_t8_ch8-4_sec8-4-059>
>>
>>
>> Latest version.
>>
>>  *
>>
>>     (a)   Whenever used in this section, the word “scanner” means a
>>     radio set or apparatus (1) capable of receiving, transmitting, or
>>     both receiving and transmitting radio messages or signals within
>>     the wavelength or channel now or hereafter assigned by the Federal
>>     Communications Commission or its successor for use by law
>>     enforcement agencies; or (2) that may intercept or interfere with
>>     the transmission or reception of radio messages or signals by the
>>     department of police.
>>
>>     (b)   No person shall use a scanner in such a way as to interfere
>>     with messages transmitted or received by the department of police.
>>     No person shall use a scanner to aid or abet the performance of
>>     any act in violation of any law or ordinance. The use of a scanner
>>     to aid or abet any illegal act shall be an offense separate and
>>     distinct from such illegal act.
>>
>>     (c)   Any person who violates this section shall be subject to a
>>     fine of not less than $200.00 and not more than $500.00.
>>
>> (Added Coun. J. 7-14-93, p. 35538)
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, June 10, 2020, 6:19:26 PM CDT, Tim Ferguson
>> <tferg53@...> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Please don’t sigh, Joe, I have A.D.D., and often miss pertinent
>> information that others already know, from keeping up with what has
>> already been said.  My apologies for making you go out of your way....:-)
>>
>> Tim Ferguson
>>
>> > On Jun 10, 2020, at 5:32 PM, Joe M. <mch@... <mailto:mch@...>>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > (sigh)....
>> >
>> > <<http://www.fordyce.org/scanning/scanning_info/scanlaws.htm>>
>> >
>> > That has info on ALL 50 states.
>> >
>> > I can't say it's 100% current, but it will
>> > give you a good place to start your research.
>> >
>> > Joe M.
>> >
>> >> On 6/10/2020 2:46 PM, Tim Ferguson wrote:
>> >> Does anyone know about any laws pertaining to scanners in Illinois?
>> >>
>> >> Tim Ferguson
>> >>
>> >>> On Jun 10, 2020, at 1:38 PM, Teton Amateur Radio Repeater Association
>> >>> (TARRA) <tarra@... <mailto:tarra@...>> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> 
>> >>>
>> >>> http://www.fireline.org/scanlaws/scanner5.html Looks rather out of
>> >>> date. I'm also sure that using a radio to receive police
>> >>> communications while committing a crime isn't going to be good for you
>> >>> anywhere.
>> >>>
>> >>> Many, many years ago when I worked in television (engineering but
>> >>> helped with news) in Indiana, one morning on the way into work I heard
>> >>> of an accident ahead on my normal route. I started going a different
>> >>> route to bypass the accident. Then I heard a call for jumper cables
>> >>> because they had a car stalled at the accident scene making another
>> >>> problem. The only officer who had jumper cables was on the other end
>> >>> of the county. So I showed up. I got out of my car and said I had
>> >>> jumper cables. The officer said great, but how did you know we needed
>> >>> jumper cables? I said I heard it on my scanner. He looked at my Ohio
>> >>> license plate (I lived in Ohio) and he said you know it is illegal to
>> >>> have a scanner in your car in Indiana? I said yes, I know that. I told
>> >>> him which station I worked for and said I would be glad to show you my
>> >>> media pass and scanner permit or we can just jump the car and get it
>> >>> out of the way. He said lets just jump the car and get it out of the
>> >>> way. Good choice, so that was what we did. I always figured that he
>> >>> probably thought since I knew what I needed to have and was willing to
>> >>> show them that is wasn't worth the time to look.
>> >>>
>> >>> Mick
>> >>>
>> >>> ----- Original Message -----
>> >>> From: "Bernard Skoch via groups.io"
>> >>> To: "jcl40511@... <mailto:yahoo.com@groups.io>" ,
>> "main@Uniden.groups.io <mailto:main@Uniden.groups.io>"
>> >>> Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2020 11:27:45 AM
>> >>> Subject: Re: [Uniden] Can anyone about laws on scanner
>> >>>
>> >>> > Can't vouch for accuracy, but here's a compilation of state laws.
>> >>> > http://www.fireline.org/scanlaws/scanner5.html
>> >>> > And here is Kentucky's statute:
>> >>> > http://www.fireline.org/scanlaws/laws/scanner/ky.html
>> >>> >
>> >>> > Here is the only verbiage I can find that references hams:
>> >>> > Nothing contained in this section shall prohibit the possession
>> >>> > of a radio by:
>> >>> >
>> >>> > (a) An individual who is a retailer or wholesaler and in the
>> >>> > ordinary course of his business offers such radios for sale
>> >>> > or resale;
>> >>> >
>> >>> > (b) A commercial or educational radio or television station,
>> >>> > licensed by the Federal Communications Commission, at its
>> >>> > place of business; or
>> >>> >
>> >>> > (c) An individual who possesses such a radio, provided it is
>> >>> > capable of receiving radio transmissions only and is not
>> >>> > capable of sending or transmitting radio messages, at his
>> >>> > place of residence; licensed commercial auto towing trucks;
>> >>> > newspaper reporters and photographers; emergency management
>> >>> > agency personnel authorized in writing by the director of
>> >>> > the division of emergency management (for state personnel)
>> >>> > or chief executive of the city or county (for their
>> >>> > respective personnel); a person holding a valid license
>> >>> > issued by the Federal Communications Commission in the
>> >>> > amateur radio service; peace officers authorized in writing
>> >>> > by the head of their law enforcement agency, Commonwealth's
>> >>> > attorneys and their assistants, county attorneys and their
>> >>> > assistants, except that it shall be unlawful to use such
>> >>> > radio to facilitate any criminal activity or to avoid
>> >>> > apprehension by law enforcement officers. Violation of this
>> >>> > section shall, in addition to any other penalty prescribed
>> >>> > by law, result in a forfeiture to the local law enforcement
>> >>> > agency of such radio.
>> >>> >
>> >>> >
>> >>> > -----Original Message-----
>> >>> > From: John Lewis via groups.io
>> >>> > To: main@Uniden.groups.io <mailto:main@Uniden.groups.io>
>> >>> > Sent: Wed, Jun 10, 2020 11:47 am
>> >>> > Subject: [Uniden] Can anyone about laws on scanner
>> >>> >
>> >>> > I live in Kentucky I'm ham  Operator weather have scanner in my
>> vehicle
>> >>> >
>> >>> >
>> >>> >
>> >>> >
>> >>> >
>> >>> --
>> >>> Untitled Document
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> 0
>> >>
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>> >
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>>
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Re: SDS 100 Charging light.

Joe Polcari
 

Florida law enforcement is 99% encrypted –

 

From: <main@Uniden.groups.io> on behalf of "nomadvrod via groups.io" <nomadvrod@...>
Reply-To: <main@Uniden.groups.io>
Date: Wednesday, June 10, 2020 at 6:26 PM
To: "main@Uniden.groups.io" <main@Uniden.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [Uniden] SDS 100 Charging light.

 

Well,he is accurate about the fruitcakes in California,and as far as scrambling in Orlando?is it encrypted?voice inversion?,dmr?open sky?maybe learn to use the search function on your scanner?or maybe ebay can help you?,,find out what they are using,and if you have a 396t scanner,it will unscramble stuff its not supposed to,trying to help you,

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: don robinson via groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2020 12:32 PM
To: main@Uniden.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Uniden] SDS 100 Charging light.

 

A library is an organized collection of published material. They showed you in the second grade. Your fault if you forgot after all these years.

 

On Wednesday, June 10, 2020, 12:21:27 PM PDT, pcbutts1 via groups.io <pcbutts1@...> wrote:

 

 

What’s a library?

 

 

From: main@Uniden.groups.io <main@Uniden.groups.io> On Behalf Of don robinson via groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2020 12:03 PM
To: main@Uniden.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Uniden] SDS 100 Charging light.

 

Don't come in here name calling. It is very undignified. In California, having a scanner in your car and listening to it is NOT illegal. There are other states that prohibit it. A couple of laws in California concerning scanners are, their use *to avoid prosecution* is illegal and repeating certain communication is prohibited  Also using a scanner to evesdrop  on cordless or cellphones is illegal and using frequency dividers on a scanner is illegal. If you aren't satisfied with that, use a public library to look up and read your local laws. Libraries have digital catalogs, just in case you haven't been near one during this century.

 

 

 

On Tuesday, June 9, 2020, 10:06:26 PM PDT, clive frazier via groups.io <clive99w@...> wrote:

 

 

Joe: 

 

Could you please explain further what the fruitcakes in California did? Does that make ANY scanner illegal in California? Only those scanners that can be charged while in a car? Mobile/base vs. hand held? 

 

Some states have laws that prohibit scanners in a car unless you have a valid amateur radio license. Do you have a list of those states? 

 

General comment on scanning. Had a week of the usual protests (riots) here in Orlando. Everything scrambled. Could not listen to anything. Unless Uniden comes up with a scanner that can decode scrambled voice, the only thing to listen to will be taxi cabs, but they are all going to Uber so that means cell phones. I think we have a dying hobby. 

 

Clive, K9FWF

 

 

On Monday, June 8, 2020, 03:20:00 AM EDT, Joe M. <mch@...> wrote:

 

 

Since you are 'down under' you need to review California's laws that
made non-USB charging effectively illegal. Uniden even had to redesign
the BC346XT to make it confirm and the revised model was the BC346XTC (C
for California). In that case the redesign was to remove the charging
capability (it was not possible to change the coaxial jack to USB).

Uniden didn't drop the ball - the ball was stolen by California.

Joe M.

On 6/8/2020 3:05 AM, Doug J wrote:
> Sounds like Uniden has dropped the ball with their build quality, they
> need to lift their game.
>
> They should go back to a separate DC plug for charging, even if it is
> 5V, which is much more robust. Have a USB to DC plug lead.
>
> Then the USB socket on the scanner can be just for data and programming.
>
> Regards,
>
> Doug VK2XLJ


 

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Re: Can anyone about laws on scanner

W8SWL
 

Michigan use to be a "by permit" state where anyone other than a LEO needed a permit to have a mobile scanner in a vehicle with an amateur radio exception since our 2 meter xcvr's also received some older police freqs.   The Michigan State Police got tired of issuing permits and had the law changed.  Now anyone can have a mobile scanner UNLESS they were in the commission of a crime when using it.  Then the book got thrown at you.

So you can drive through MI with your scanner and not fear an arrest unless you are committing crimes.

73,  Don  W8SWL


Re: SDS 100 Charging light.

Craig Scott
 

Florida law is unusually harsh.  I checked because I bring a scanner from NYS to Naples on vacation.  You can get a ticket for having a brand new unit, in a box, IN YOUR TRUNK!  Can't monitor Collier county sheriff anyway.  I listen to mil air.  Could care less about the cops.
Craig
Watervliet NY

On Wednesday, June 10, 2020, 10:32:47 AM EDT, harvey morse <harvey@...> wrote:


Florida also has the same law. Hams only.

 

From: <main@Uniden.groups.io> on behalf of "Jeff Daugherty via groups.io" <w0nwa@...>
Reply-To: "main@Uniden.groups.io" <main@Uniden.groups.io>
Date: Wednesday, June 10, 2020 at 4:30 AM
To: "main@Uniden.groups.io" <main@Uniden.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [Uniden] SDS 100 Charging light.

 

MN. Has a scanner law only mobile scanners can be by hams

 

 

 

Sent from my Sprint Phone.

 

 

-------- Original message --------

From: "clive frazier via groups.io" <clive99w@...>

Date: 6/9/20 10:06 PM (GMT-07:00)

To: main@Uniden.groups.io

Subject: Re: [Uniden] SDS 100 Charging light.

 

Joe: 

 

Could you please explain further what the fruitcakes in California did? Does that make ANY scanner illegal in California? Only those scanners that can be charged while in a car? Mobile/base vs. hand held? 

 

Some states have laws that prohibit scanners in a car unless you have a valid amateur radio license. Do you have a list of those states? 

 

General comment on scanning. Had a week of the usual protests (riots) here in Orlando. Everything scrambled. Could not listen to anything. Unless Uniden comes up with a scanner that can decode scrambled voice, the only thing to listen to will be taxi cabs, but they are all going to Uber so that means cell phones. I think we have a dying hobby. 

 

Clive, K9FWF

 

 

On Monday, June 8, 2020, 03:20:00 AM EDT, Joe M. <mch@...> wrote:

 

 

Since you are 'down under' you need to review California's laws that
made non-USB charging effectively illegal. Uniden even had to redesign
the BC346XT to make it confirm and the revised model was the BC346XTC (C
for California). In that case the redesign was to remove the charging
capability (it was not possible to change the coaxial jack to USB).

Uniden didn't drop the ball - the ball was stolen by California.

Joe M.

On 6/8/2020 3:05 AM, Doug J wrote:
> Sounds like Uniden has dropped the ball with their build quality, they
> need to lift their game.
>
> They should go back to a separate DC plug for charging, even if it is
> 5V, which is much more robust. Have a USB to DC plug lead.
>
> Then the USB socket on the scanner can be just for data and programming.
>
> Regards,
>
> Doug VK2XLJ



Re: Can anyone about laws on scanner

Stephen Krug
 

 Did you know that if you use a scanner app on your cell phone to listen to scanner feeds your cell phone is considered a scanner under the law.



Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S7 edge, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone


-------- Original message --------
From: Tim Ferguson <tferg53@...>
Date: 6/10/20 10:09 PM (GMT-06:00)
To: main@uniden.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Uniden] Can anyone about laws on scanner

So the people that provide scanner feeds via the Internet can be held responsible, too, if their feed was used by a criminal committing a crime to monitor where the police are while committing the crime?

Tim Ferguson

On Jun 10, 2020, at 6:29 PM, Stephen Krug <skrug4@...> wrote:


Here is what I found:

Scanners are legal to use anywhere in the state of Illinois. ... Per federal law, it is illegal everywhere in the U.S. to intentionally monitor pagers, phone communications of any type, or to unscramble any encrypted communications.Nov 22, 2008

§ 8-4-059. Possession of scanners illegal.  




  •  
Latest version.
  • (a)   Whenever used in this section, the word “scanner” means a radio set or apparatus (1) capable of receiving, transmitting, or both receiving and transmitting radio messages or signals within the wavelength or channel now or hereafter assigned by the Federal Communications Commission or its successor for use by law enforcement agencies; or (2) that may intercept or interfere with the transmission or reception of radio messages or signals by the department of police.

    (b)   No person shall use a scanner in such a way as to interfere with messages transmitted or received by the department of police. No person shall use a scanner to aid or abet the performance of any act in violation of any law or ordinance. The use of a scanner to aid or abet any illegal act shall be an offense separate and distinct from such illegal act.

    (c)   Any person who violates this section shall be subject to a fine of not less than $200.00 and not more than $500.00.

(Added Coun. J. 7-14-93, p. 35538)



On Wednesday, June 10, 2020, 6:19:26 PM CDT, Tim Ferguson <tferg53@...> wrote:


Please don’t sigh, Joe, I have A.D.D., and often miss pertinent information that others already know, from keeping up with what has already been said.  My apologies for making you go out of your way....:-)

Tim Ferguson

> On Jun 10, 2020, at 5:32 PM, Joe M. <mch@...> wrote:
>
> (sigh)....
>
> <<http://www.fordyce.org/scanning/scanning_info/scanlaws.htm>>
>
> That has info on ALL 50 states.
>
> I can't say it's 100% current, but it will
> give you a good place to start your research.
>
> Joe M.
>
>> On 6/10/2020 2:46 PM, Tim Ferguson wrote:
>> Does anyone know about any laws pertaining to scanners in Illinois?
>>
>> Tim Ferguson
>>
>>> On Jun 10, 2020, at 1:38 PM, Teton Amateur Radio Repeater Association
>>> (TARRA) <tarra@...> wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>> http://www.fireline.org/scanlaws/scanner5.html Looks rather out of
>>> date. I'm also sure that using a radio to receive police
>>> communications while committing a crime isn't going to be good for you
>>> anywhere.
>>>
>>> Many, many years ago when I worked in television (engineering but
>>> helped with news) in Indiana, one morning on the way into work I heard
>>> of an accident ahead on my normal route. I started going a different
>>> route to bypass the accident. Then I heard a call for jumper cables
>>> because they had a car stalled at the accident scene making another
>>> problem. The only officer who had jumper cables was on the other end
>>> of the county. So I showed up. I got out of my car and said I had
>>> jumper cables. The officer said great, but how did you know we needed
>>> jumper cables? I said I heard it on my scanner. He looked at my Ohio
>>> license plate (I lived in Ohio) and he said you know it is illegal to
>>> have a scanner in your car in Indiana? I said yes, I know that. I told
>>> him which station I worked for and said I would be glad to show you my
>>> media pass and scanner permit or we can just jump the car and get it
>>> out of the way. He said lets just jump the car and get it out of the
>>> way. Good choice, so that was what we did. I always figured that he
>>> probably thought since I knew what I needed to have and was willing to
>>> show them that is wasn't worth the time to look.
>>>
>>> Mick
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Bernard Skoch via groups.io"
>>> To: "jcl40511=yahoo.com@groups.io" , "main@Uniden.groups.io"
>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2020 11:27:45 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [Uniden] Can anyone about laws on scanner
>>>
>>> > Can't vouch for accuracy, but here's a compilation of state laws.
>>> > http://www.fireline.org/scanlaws/scanner5.html
>>> > And here is Kentucky's statute:
>>> > http://www.fireline.org/scanlaws/laws/scanner/ky.html
>>> >
>>> > Here is the only verbiage I can find that references hams:
>>> > Nothing contained in this section shall prohibit the possession
>>> > of a radio by:
>>> >
>>> > (a) An individual who is a retailer or wholesaler and in the
>>> > ordinary course of his business offers such radios for sale
>>> > or resale;
>>> >
>>> > (b) A commercial or educational radio or television station,
>>> > licensed by the Federal Communications Commission, at its
>>> > place of business; or
>>> >
>>> > (c) An individual who possesses such a radio, provided it is
>>> > capable of receiving radio transmissions only and is not
>>> > capable of sending or transmitting radio messages, at his
>>> > place of residence; licensed commercial auto towing trucks;
>>> > newspaper reporters and photographers; emergency management
>>> > agency personnel authorized in writing by the director of
>>> > the division of emergency management (for state personnel)
>>> > or chief executive of the city or county (for their
>>> > respective personnel); a person holding a valid license
>>> > issued by the Federal Communications Commission in the
>>> > amateur radio service; peace officers authorized in writing
>>> > by the head of their law enforcement agency, Commonwealth's
>>> > attorneys and their assistants, county attorneys and their
>>> > assistants, except that it shall be unlawful to use such
>>> > radio to facilitate any criminal activity or to avoid
>>> > apprehension by law enforcement officers. Violation of this
>>> > section shall, in addition to any other penalty prescribed
>>> > by law, result in a forfeiture to the local law enforcement
>>> > agency of such radio.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > -----Original Message-----
>>> > From: John Lewis via groups.io
>>> > To: main@Uniden.groups.io
>>> > Sent: Wed, Jun 10, 2020 11:47 am
>>> > Subject: [Uniden] Can anyone about laws on scanner
>>> >
>>> > I live in Kentucky I'm ham  Operator weather have scanner in my vehicle
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> --
>>> Untitled Document
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Re: SDS 100 Charging light.

Craig Scott
 

Legal in NYS for passenger vehicles and some trucks.  Over 10,000lb gross weight, illegal.
Craig
Watervliet NY

On Wednesday, June 10, 2020, 11:52:51 PM EDT, John Etling <john@...> wrote:


Radar detectors are illegal in most states... in any type of vehicle.

--John K3JAE

-----Original Message-----
From: main@Uniden.groups.io <main@Uniden.groups.io> On Behalf Of KA9QJG
Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2020 19:28
To: main@Uniden.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Uniden] SDS 100 Charging light.

Not  your California answer  but  Il an Indiana  it is illegal to have Radar detectors in  Commercial vehicles  like  trucks

Stay Safe and Healthy Don KA9QJG

-----Original Message-----
From: main@Uniden.groups.io [mailto:main@Uniden.groups.io] On Behalf Of Evan Platt
Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2020 7:16 PM
To: main@uniden.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Uniden] SDS 100 Charging light.

What in your trucks are illegal in California?

On Wed, Jun 10, 2020 at 4:20 PM John Etling <john@...> wrote:
>
> I can attest to your LAST few comments of your statement. This is why I no longer permit ANY of my trucks (over the road) to enter into California any longer. It simply is not worth the hassle of complying with assinine rules that were pulled out of someone's ear.









WHAAAAAT?

James F. Boehner, MD
 

OK, I can't hold back anymore.

Radar Detectors are legal in all states for passenger cars with the exception of Virginia and D.C.

10.5 G is actually the "X" band (shared with amateur radio). 24 G is the "K" band and 36G is the "Ka" band.

And as you impress the officer with your knowledge of radio theory, you may be rewarded with "Step out of the car please, and keep your hands where I can see them". "Remember, I'm handcuffing you for your protection!"

Just 'sayin'

'73 de JIM N2ZZ

-----Original Message-----
From: main@Uniden.groups.io [mailto:main@Uniden.groups.io] On Behalf Of KA9QJG
Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2020 12:48 AM
To: main@Uniden.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Uniden] SDS 100 Charging light.

John, You and others are a Ham Next time they use the K Band and your detector goes Off ask the Officer why is He transmitting to your 10.5 G Lic Amateur Radio Freq Radar ham receiver Amateur Radio lic and calibration

The amateur radio band is between 10.00 GHz and 10.50 GHz, and the amateur satellite band is between 10.45 GHz and 10.50 GHz. The allocations are the same in all three ITU regions

Stay Safe and Healthy Don KA9QJG

-----Original Message-----
From: main@Uniden.groups.io [mailto:main@Uniden.groups.io] On Behalf Of John Etling
Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2020 10:18 PM
To: main@Uniden.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Uniden] SDS 100 Charging light.

Radar detectors are illegal in most states... in any type of vehicle.

--John K3JAE

-----Original Message-----
From: main@Uniden.groups.io <main@Uniden.groups.io> On Behalf Of KA9QJG
Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2020 19:28
To: main@Uniden.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Uniden] SDS 100 Charging light.

Not your California answer but Il an Indiana it is illegal to have Radar detectors in Commercial vehicles like trucks

Stay Safe and Healthy Don KA9QJG

-----Original Message-----
From: main@Uniden.groups.io [mailto:main@Uniden.groups.io] On Behalf Of Evan Platt
Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2020 7:16 PM
To: main@uniden.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Uniden] SDS 100 Charging light.

What in your trucks are illegal in California?

On Wed, Jun 10, 2020 at 4:20 PM John Etling <john@k3jae.com> wrote:

I can attest to your LAST few comments of your statement. This is why I no longer permit ANY of my trucks (over the road) to enter into California any longer. It simply is not worth the hassle of complying with assinine rules that were pulled out of someone's ear.


Re: SDS 100 Charging light.

Bernard Skoch
 

On Jun 10, 2020, at 22:52, John Etling <john@...> wrote:

Radar detectors are illegal in most states... in any type of vehicle.

--John K3JAE

-----Original Message-----
From: main@Uniden.groups.io <main@Uniden.groups.io> On Behalf Of KA9QJG
Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2020 19:28
To: main@Uniden.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Uniden] SDS 100 Charging light.

Not  your California answer  but   Il an Indiana  it is illegal to have Radar detectors in  Commercial vehicles  like  trucks

Stay Safe and Healthy Don KA9QJG

-----Original Message-----
From: main@Uniden.groups.io [mailto:main@Uniden.groups.io] On Behalf Of Evan Platt
Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2020 7:16 PM
To: main@uniden.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Uniden] SDS 100 Charging light.

What in your trucks are illegal in California?

On Wed, Jun 10, 2020 at 4:20 PM John Etling <john@...> wrote:

I can attest to your LAST few comments of your statement. This is why I no longer permit ANY of my trucks (over the road) to enter into California any longer. It simply is not worth the hassle of complying with assinine rules that were pulled out of someone's ear.










Re: Can anyone about laws on scanner

KA9QJG
 

Yes that would work great being able to control you own Scanner .. A lot of non-scanner listeners who actually do not own one do not understand how it works they just listen to an app and complain they miss things

Stay Safe and Healthy

Don KA9QJG

-----Original Message-----
From: main@Uniden.groups.io [mailto:main@Uniden.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joe M.
Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2020 12:19 AM
To: main@Uniden.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Uniden] Can anyone about laws on scanner

Your last part depends on how the stream is set up.

Now let's really blur the lines. Let's say I use a VNC program
on my cellphone to stream and control my scanner that is at home.

Legally, that is no different than any other streaming, and I have the
same control. The only thing I would not have is the signal strength on
weak local signals. (or features like Close Call)

Joe M.

On 6/11/2020 1:09 AM, KA9QJG wrote:
Joe , That is a great point and in Indiana We try and not talk about it because the Way the Indiana scanner law is written It state's a device cable of listening to Police calls.. That’s right a Cell phone would be considered a device and if mobile or not on your property or business it would be illegal unless exempt.. But please be careful as scanner owners we do not want the local PD that has Scanner laws to try this in court and be right.
As everyone knows Apps work ok But not like a real Scanner that we can lock on a Freq .. Example listening a App you hear something bad in your hood and want to listen the next thig you hear is the Dog catcher chasing a dog in another town , we are at the mercy of whatever the provider set his scanner up for ,,And I know we have all read because of Apps that is why lots of departments are going Encrypted that is another thread in itself ..

Stay Safe and Healthy

Don KA9QJG

-----Original Message-----
From: main@Uniden.groups.io [mailto:main@Uniden.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joe M.
Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2020 10:47 PM
To: main@Uniden.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Uniden] Can anyone about laws on scanner

That's the part that has never been tested in courts - like having
streaming vs scanner laws. Does it have to be direct reception or can it
be indirect?

And to be clear, the person committing the crime would be charged with
using the scanner in the furtherance of a crime. The feed provider would
not be guilty since they didn't commit the crime. But they might be
charged under the disclosure prohibition of the Communications Act of
1934. That, too, has never been challenged in court. Is forwarding a
signal "disclosure"? Like how many licks it takes to get to the center
of a Tootsie Pop, we may never know.

Joe M.

On 6/10/2020 7:47 PM, Tim Ferguson wrote:
So the people that provide scanner feeds via the Internet can be held
responsible, too, if their feed was used by a criminal committing a
crime to monitor where the police are while committing the crime?

Tim Ferguson

On Jun 10, 2020, at 6:29 PM, Stephen Krug <skrug4@att.net> wrote:


Here is what I found:

*Scanners* are legal to use anywhere in the state of *Illinois*. ...
Per federal *law*, it is *illegal* everywhere in the U.S. to
intentionally monitor pagers, phone communications of any type, or to
unscramble any encrypted communications.Nov 22, 2008


§ 8-4-059. Possession of scanners illegal.
<http://chicago-il.elaws.us/code/coor_t8_ch8-4_sec8-4-060>

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(a) Whenever used in this section, the word “scanner” means a
radio set or apparatus (1) capable of receiving, transmitting, or
both receiving and transmitting radio messages or signals within
the wavelength or channel now or hereafter assigned by the Federal
Communications Commission or its successor for use by law
enforcement agencies; or (2) that may intercept or interfere with
the transmission or reception of radio messages or signals by the
department of police.

(b) No person shall use a scanner in such a way as to interfere
with messages transmitted or received by the department of police.
No person shall use a scanner to aid or abet the performance of
any act in violation of any law or ordinance. The use of a scanner
to aid or abet any illegal act shall be an offense separate and
distinct from such illegal act.

(c) Any person who violates this section shall be subject to a
fine of not less than $200.00 and not more than $500.00.

(Added Coun. J. 7-14-93, p. 35538)



On Wednesday, June 10, 2020, 6:19:26 PM CDT, Tim Ferguson
<tferg53@gmail.com> wrote:


Please don’t sigh, Joe, I have A.D.D., and often miss pertinent
information that others already know, from keeping up with what has
already been said. My apologies for making you go out of your way....:-)

Tim Ferguson

On Jun 10, 2020, at 5:32 PM, Joe M. <mch@nb.net <mailto:mch@nb.net>>
wrote:

(sigh)....

<<http://www.fordyce.org/scanning/scanning_info/scanlaws.htm>>

That has info on ALL 50 states.

I can't say it's 100% current, but it will
give you a good place to start your research.

Joe M.

On 6/10/2020 2:46 PM, Tim Ferguson wrote:
Does anyone know about any laws pertaining to scanners in Illinois?

Tim Ferguson

On Jun 10, 2020, at 1:38 PM, Teton Amateur Radio Repeater Association
(TARRA) <tarra@wyocat.com <mailto:tarra@wyocat.com>> wrote:



http://www.fireline.org/scanlaws/scanner5.html Looks rather out of
date. I'm also sure that using a radio to receive police
communications while committing a crime isn't going to be good for you
anywhere.

Many, many years ago when I worked in television (engineering but
helped with news) in Indiana, one morning on the way into work I heard
of an accident ahead on my normal route. I started going a different
route to bypass the accident. Then I heard a call for jumper cables
because they had a car stalled at the accident scene making another
problem. The only officer who had jumper cables was on the other end
of the county. So I showed up. I got out of my car and said I had
jumper cables. The officer said great, but how did you know we needed
jumper cables? I said I heard it on my scanner. He looked at my Ohio
license plate (I lived in Ohio) and he said you know it is illegal to
have a scanner in your car in Indiana? I said yes, I know that. I told
him which station I worked for and said I would be glad to show you my
media pass and scanner permit or we can just jump the car and get it
out of the way. He said lets just jump the car and get it out of the
way. Good choice, so that was what we did. I always figured that he
probably thought since I knew what I needed to have and was willing to
show them that is wasn't worth the time to look.

Mick

----- Original Message -----
From: "Bernard Skoch via groups.io"
To: "jcl40511=yahoo.com@groups.io <mailto:yahoo.com@groups.io>" ,
"main@Uniden.groups.io <mailto:main@Uniden.groups.io>"
Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2020 11:27:45 AM
Subject: Re: [Uniden] Can anyone about laws on scanner

Can't vouch for accuracy, but here's a compilation of state laws.
http://www.fireline.org/scanlaws/scanner5.html
And here is Kentucky's statute:
http://www.fireline.org/scanlaws/laws/scanner/ky.html

Here is the only verbiage I can find that references hams:
Nothing contained in this section shall prohibit the possession
of a radio by:

(a) An individual who is a retailer or wholesaler and in the
ordinary course of his business offers such radios for sale
or resale;

(b) A commercial or educational radio or television station,
licensed by the Federal Communications Commission, at its
place of business; or

(c) An individual who possesses such a radio, provided it is
capable of receiving radio transmissions only and is not
capable of sending or transmitting radio messages, at his
place of residence; licensed commercial auto towing trucks;
newspaper reporters and photographers; emergency management
agency personnel authorized in writing by the director of
the division of emergency management (for state personnel)
or chief executive of the city or county (for their
respective personnel); a person holding a valid license
issued by the Federal Communications Commission in the
amateur radio service; peace officers authorized in writing
by the head of their law enforcement agency, Commonwealth's
attorneys and their assistants, county attorneys and their
assistants, except that it shall be unlawful to use such
radio to facilitate any criminal activity or to avoid
apprehension by law enforcement officers. Violation of this
section shall, in addition to any other penalty prescribed
by law, result in a forfeiture to the local law enforcement
agency of such radio.


-----Original Message-----
From: John Lewis via groups.io
To: main@Uniden.groups.io <mailto:main@Uniden.groups.io>
Sent: Wed, Jun 10, 2020 11:47 am
Subject: [Uniden] Can anyone about laws on scanner

I live in Kentucky I'm ham Operator weather have scanner in my
vehicle




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