Re: crypto comm

murray kellett


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From: <> on behalf of mmiskottawa <mmisk@...>
Sent: Monday, November 11, 2019 11:52:29 AM
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Subject: Re: [Uniden] crypto comm
I feel the same had many good years of listening.
You know, I could listen to anything in those days, and I just listened for enjoyment and my interest in communications.  Didn't divulge anything, did not cause anyone any trouble. Kept it to myself. 
Would never in a million years stream it to the public. That is just shooting oneself in the foot.
Most of what I heard was in the public domain anyway, (court records etc) 
If I was listening in public I used headphones and it looked like I was listening to music. Would try to keep the scanner out of site.
Then when MDT's came into use there was much less private information given out.  Next, in car computers, cellphones, so even less on the radio.

Anyway, I am grateful for those years, not complaining.


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Sent: November 10, 2019 11:53 PM
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Subject: Re: [Uniden] crypto comm



From: <> On Behalf Of Marty Toomajian
Sent: Sunday, November 10, 2019 14:00
Subject: Re: [Uniden] crypto comm


Rather than think I know better than what these agencies need,  I thank my lucky stars that I could listen to some great communications in the 80's just by programming a Bearcat or a Radio Shack Pro-200X.


I believe I lived through a unique time when crystals weren't needed and Tom Kneitel published frequencies that are today encrypted 99+% of the time. 


It was fun.  I was fortunate.  I'm thankful and I've moved on to other hobbies. 


On Sun, Nov 10, 2019, 1:07 PM ihc53 <ihc53@...> wrote:

99 percent of police traffic should be in the clear, unencrypted.  And you are quite right, when everything is encrypted and in the shadows it will smack of "secret police."


With very few exceptions,  everything should be open to the taxpayers to hear.


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From: "William Barrett, KW1B" <wbarrett@...>

Date: 11/9/19 5:23 PM (GMT-05:00)

Subject: [Uniden] crypto comm


I believe that citizens have the right and the responsibility to supervise

at a certain level.  Fully encrypted police comms are not accessaable,

while most are quite routine and do NOT require a high degree of



In those few special other cases, there are methods of COMSEC

well-known to police and military communications people.  Simply

encryping everything is lazy and can lead to Secret Police Mindset.

Not something most people would favor.


Routine ops need to be in the clear.







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From: []On Behalf Of Shawn Benoit
Sent: Saturday, November 09, 2019 15:45
Subject: Re: [Uniden] P25 for Cheap

I'm pro encryption for police and EMS communications. Nothing will change that even though it's a hobby and I like to listen. 


On Sat, Nov 9, 2019 at 13:09 Joe M. <mch@...> wrote:

Is that because crime only happens at the
police station and doesn't affect communities?

Do you not care that you will be late to work because
there is an accident blocking your normal route?

Do you not care that you will be ADDING
to the problem (traffic) in the above case?

Are you fine with going to the mall when
there is an active shooter in the area?

If there is a felon loose in your neighborhood,
are you OK letting your kids go out to play?

A FOIA request will not solve any of these cases.
Encryption will not alert you to these cases.
Only clear communications will let you know WHEN you need to know it.

Joe M.

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