Metro Nashville Agencies plan to encrypt police radio channels f


Michael
 

Jerry,
At NO POINT has the Supreme Court said to always film the police! You need to go back and reread the case law!
My opinion on all this, after 33 years in law enforcement is SWAT channels SHOULD be encrypted - leave all the others open. I'm over here in Blount County and they use the encryption when they want to, not full time. I can understand and appreciate that. Knox County on the other hand just went all encrypted a few months ago  :-(
Mike


Michael
 

Yea, when did dispatchers stop asking "Do you have a clear mike?"
Mike


Robert A Klamp
 

The problem isn't scanners and it never was it's the streaming apps. Personally I have no clue why people are so quick to put the deeds up. People a totally buy scanners now just to supply feeds. If it wasn't accessible by a simple app on your phone less criminals would be listening period. But with sites that allow streaming broadcastify being the major offender no wonder police want encryption, how would you like it if all of your business and everything you said on your phone was broadcast to anyone with a cell phone who downloads the app. Streaming will be the death of our hobby and it is slowly speeding up a cross the nation with more a d more Public Safety agencies encrypting. I remember the old Police Call books radio reference used to sell and there was a paragraph at the beginning about not talking about or disseminating any information you heard broadcast on the radio channels to anyone via any means. It was one of the smartest things I had ever seen said but common sense no longer prevails. So streamers keep streaming and when your radios go quiet you have no one to blame but yourself. There should be a law against streaming but unfortunately there is not and why would the police want one when streaming gives them the perfect opportunity to spend more money on new radios systems and even more money on encryption with absolute justification because Joe Crackhead and Mike the Dope fiend found a scanner app that allowed them to know what was coming before it did. Streamers be proud, well at least until they encrypt your city and county public safety radio system.Just one mans thought on it, BobSent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone

-------- Original message --------From: "Michael Cushman watnny@aol.com [BCD996p2]" <BCD996p2@yahoogroups.com> Date: 2/16/19 19:42 (GMT-06:00) To: BCD996p2@yahoogroups.com Subject: [BCD996p2] Re: Metro Nashville Agencies plan to encrypt police radio channels f
 









Yea, when did dispatchers stop asking "Do you have a clear mike?"
Mike

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Joe M.
 

Yes we need the law to be enforced. (reference to about not talking about or disseminating any information you heard broadcast on the radio channels to anyone)

Police Call was just citing part of the Communications Act of 1934 which prohibits divulging intercepted communications except for certain radio services such as Broadcast, Aircraft, Marine, Ham, or CB.

I don't recall the specific section, but it's in there. The FCC explains it in plain English here:

<<https://www.fcc.gov/consumers/guides/interception-and-divulgence-radio-communications>>

Enforcement would solve most of the issue.

Joe M.

On 2/16/2019 9:12 PM, 'Robert A Klamp Jr.' robertklamp@comcast.net [BCD996p2] wrote:
The problem isn't scanners and it never was it's the streaming apps.
Personally I have no clue why people are so quick to put the deeds up.
People a totally buy scanners now just to supply feeds. If it wasn't
accessible by a simple app on your phone less criminals would be
listening period. But with sites that allow streaming broadcastify being
the major offender no wonder police want encryption, how would you like
it if all of your business and everything you said on your phone was
broadcast to anyone with a cell phone who downloads the app. Streaming
will be the death of our hobby and it is slowly speeding up a cross the
nation with more a d more Public Safety agencies encrypting. I remember
the old Police Call books radio reference used to sell and there was a
paragraph at the beginning about not talking about or disseminating any
information you heard broadcast on the radio channels to anyone via any
means. It was one of the smartest things I had ever seen said but common
sense no longer prevails. So streamers keep streaming and when your
radios go quiet you have no one to blame but yourself. There should be a
law against streaming but unfortunately there is not and why would the
police want one when streaming gives them the perfect opportunity to
spend more money on new radios systems and even more money on encryption
with absolute justification because Joe Crackhead and Mike the Dope
fiend found a scanner app that allowed them to know what was coming
before it did. Streamers be proud, well at least until they encrypt your
city and county public safety radio system.Just one mans thought on
it, BobSent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
-------- Original message --------From: "Michael Cushman watnny@aol.com
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To: BCD996p2@yahoogroups.com Subject: [BCD996p2] Re: Metro Nashville
Agencies plan to encrypt police radio channels f


Yea, when did dispatchers stop asking "Do you have a clear mike?"
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John Wilson <w4uvv@...>
 

You mean to say Knox Co., doesn't use 39.5000 mhz. and they now are
encryatated?  Is Cas Walker still the mayor? Does he still have his
local tv show? If not maybe he finally got his cousin Odell Cas Lane
elected.  They would not allow that to happen. It wasn't that way in
1958 when I used a WW2 converted 25-50 mhz. tank radio to AC power and a
curtain rod antenna when I first entered UT.  I lived across the street
from the Business Admin Bldg. which now I believe is a parking lot or
another new building.  Those were the good ole days when almost every
day King Co., Washington SO's skip signal used to as strong at times
then the county. The Knox Co. and the Thunder Road bootleggers are not
going to like this encrypation one bit!

John
W4UVV

Michael Cushman watnny@aol.com [BCD996p2] wrote:


Jerry,
At NO POINT has the Supreme Court said to always film the police! You
need to go back and reread the case law!
My opinion on all this, after 33 years in law enforcement is SWAT
channels SHOULD be encrypted - leave all the others open. I'm over
here in Blount County and they use the encryption when they want to,
not full time. I can understand and appreciate that. Knox County on
the other hand just went all encrypted a few months ago  :-(
Mike

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Russell Adams
 

Section 705 of the Communication Act of 1934 (47 USC 151)

SEC. 705. [47 U.S.C. 605] UNAUTHORIZED PUBLICATION OF COMMUNICATIONS.(a) Except as authorized by chapter 119, title 18, United States Code, no person receiving, assisting in receiving, transmitting, or assisting in transmitting,any interstate or foreign communication by wire or radio shall divulge or publish the existence, contents, substance, purport, effect, or meaning thereof, except through authorized channels of transmission or reception, (1) to any person other than the addressee, his agent, or attorney, (2) to a person employed or authorized to forward such communication to its destination, (3) to proper accounting or distributing officers of the various communicating centers over which the communication may be passed, (4) to the master of a ship under whom he is serving, (5) in response to a subpena issued by a court of competent jurisdiction,or (6) on demand of other lawful authority.......more...

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From: MCH mch@nb.net [BCD996p2] <BCD996p2@yahoogroups.com>
To: BCD996p2 <BCD996p2@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sat, Feb 16, 2019 8:37 pm
Subject: Re: [BCD996p2] Re: Metro Nashville Agencies plan to encrypt police radio channels f

  Yes we need the law to be enforced. (reference to about not talking
about or disseminating any information you heard broadcast on the radio
channels to anyone)

Police Call was just citing part of the Communications Act of 1934 which
prohibits divulging intercepted communications except for certain radio
services such as Broadcast, Aircraft, Marine, Ham, or CB.

I don't recall the specific section, but it's in there. The FCC explains
it in plain English here:

<<https://www.fcc.gov/consumers/guides/interception-and-divulgence-radio-communications>>

Enforcement would solve most of the issue.

Joe M.

On 2/16/2019 9:12 PM, 'Robert A Klamp Jr.' robertklamp@comcast.net
[BCD996p2] wrote:
The problem isn't scanners and it never was it's the streaming apps.
Personally I have no clue why people are so quick to put the deeds up.
People a totally buy scanners now just to supply feeds. If it wasn't
accessible by a simple app on your phone less criminals would be
listening period. But with sites that allow streaming broadcastify being
the major offender no wonder police want encryption, how would you like
it if all of your business and everything you said on your phone was
broadcast to anyone with a cell phone who downloads the app. Streaming
will be the death of our hobby and it is slowly speeding up a cross the
nation with more a d more Public Safety agencies encrypting. I remember
the old Police Call books radio reference used to sell and there was a
paragraph at the beginning about not talking about or disseminating any
information you heard broadcast on the radio channels to anyone via any
means. It was one of the smartest things I had ever seen said but common
sense no longer prevails. So streamers keep streaming and when your
radios go quiet you have no one to blame but yourself. There should be a
law against streaming but unfortunately there is not and why would the
police want one when streaming gives them the perfect opportunity to
spend more money on new radios systems and even more money on encryption
with absolute justification because Joe Crackhead and Mike the Dope
fiend found a scanner app that allowed them to know what was coming
before it did. Streamers be proud, well at least until they encrypt your
city and county public safety radio system.Just one mans thought on
it, BobSent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
-------- Original message --------From: "Michael Cushman watnny@aol.com
[BCD996p2]" <BCD996p2@yahoogroups.com> Date: 2/16/19 19:42 (GMT-06:00)
To: BCD996p2@yahoogroups.com Subject: [BCD996p2] Re: Metro Nashville
Agencies plan to encrypt police radio channels f


Yea, when did dispatchers stop asking "Do you have a clear mike?"
Mike

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Robert A Klamp
 

So how does this not cover streaming! By straming police communications you are divulging what you hear. How have they not outlawed streaming? Especially when broadcastify is selling the audio of horrific events to news stations is t that divulging the information as well. They need to amend it to specifically target streaming, I guarantee as soon as streaming went away encryption would slow down. Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone

-------- Original message --------From: "Russell Adams rwadams007@verizon.net [BCD996p2]" <BCD996p2@yahoogroups.com> Date: 2/20/19 12:51 (GMT-06:00) To: BCD996p2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [BCD996p2] Re: Metro Nashville Agencies plan to encrypt police radio channels f
 









Section 705 of the Communication Act of 1934 (47 USC 151)

SEC. 705. [47 U.S.C. 605] UNAUTHORIZED PUBLICATION OF COMMUNICATIONS.(a) Except as authorized by chapter 119, title 18, United States Code, no person receiving, assisting in receiving, transmitting, or assisting in transmitting,any interstate or foreign communication by wire or radio shall divulge or publish the existence, contents, substance, purport, effect, or meaning thereof, except through authorized channels of transmission or reception, (1) to any person other than the addressee, his agent, or attorney, (2) to a person employed or authorized to forward such communication to its destination, (3) to proper accounting or distributing officers of the various communicating centers over which the communication may be passed, (4) to the master of a ship under whom he is serving, (5) in response to a subpena issued by a court of competent jurisdiction,or (6) on demand of other lawful authority.......more...


-----Original Message-----
From: MCH mch@nb.net [BCD996p2] <BCD996p2@yahoogroups.com>
To: BCD996p2 <BCD996p2@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sat, Feb 16, 2019 8:37 pm
Subject: Re: [BCD996p2] Re: Metro Nashville Agencies plan to encrypt police radio channels f

  Yes we need the law to be enforced. (reference to about not talking
about or disseminating any information you heard broadcast on the radio
channels to anyone)

Police Call was just citing part of the Communications Act of 1934 which
prohibits divulging intercepted communications except for certain radio
services such as Broadcast, Aircraft, Marine, Ham, or CB.

I don't recall the specific section, but it's in there. The FCC explains
it in plain English here:

<<https://www.fcc.gov/consumers/guides/interception-and-divulgence-radio-communications>>

Enforcement would solve most of the issue.

Joe M.

On 2/16/2019 9:12 PM, 'Robert A Klamp Jr.' robertklamp@comcast.net
[BCD996p2] wrote:
The problem isn't scanners and it never was it's the streaming apps.
Personally I have no clue why people are so quick to put the deeds up.
People a totally buy scanners now just to supply feeds. If it wasn't
accessible by a simple app on your phone less criminals would be
listening period. But with sites that allow streaming broadcastify being
the major offender no wonder police want encryption, how would you like
it if all of your business and everything you said on your phone was
broadcast to anyone with a cell phone who downloads the app. Streaming
will be the death of our hobby and it is slowly speeding up a cross the
nation with more a d more Public Safety agencies encrypting. I remember
the old Police Call books radio reference used to sell and there was a
paragraph at the beginning about not talking about or disseminating any
information you heard broadcast on the radio channels to anyone via any
means. It was one of the smartest things I had ever seen said but common
sense no longer prevails. So streamers keep streaming and when your
radios go quiet you have no one to blame but yourself. There should be a
law against streaming but unfortunately there is not and why would the
police want one when streaming gives them the perfect opportunity to
spend more money on new radios systems and even more money on encryption
with absolute justification because Joe Crackhead and Mike the Dope
fiend found a scanner app that allowed them to know what was coming
before it did. Streamers be proud, well at least until they encrypt your
city and county public safety radio system.Just one mans thought on
it, BobSent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
-------- Original message --------From: "Michael Cushman watnny@aol.com
[BCD996p2]" <BCD996p2@yahoogroups.com> Date: 2/16/19 19:42 (GMT-06:00)
To: BCD996p2@yahoogroups.com Subject: [BCD996p2] Re: Metro Nashville
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Yea, when did dispatchers stop asking "Do you have a clear mike?"
Mike

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Joe M.
 

Simply put, they have been "not enforcing" the law. It happens
with many things. In this case, likely due to lack of personnel.

Joe M.

On 2/22/2019 4:50 PM, 'Robert A Klamp Jr.' robertklamp@comcast.net [BCD996p2] wrote:
So how does this not cover streaming! By straming police communications
you are divulging what you hear. How have they not outlawed streaming?
Especially when broadcastify is selling the audio of horrific events to
news stations is t that divulging the information as well. They need to
amend it to specifically target streaming, I guarantee as soon as
streaming went away encryption would slow down. Sent from my Verizon,
Samsung Galaxy smartphone
-------- Original message --------From: "Russell Adams
rwadams007@verizon.net [BCD996p2]" <BCD996p2@yahoogroups.com> Date:
2/20/19 12:51 (GMT-06:00) To: BCD996p2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re:
[BCD996p2] Re: Metro Nashville Agencies plan to encrypt police radio
channels f


Section 705 of the Communication Act of 1934 (47 USC 151)

SEC. 705. [47 U.S.C. 605] UNAUTHORIZED PUBLICATION OF COMMUNICATIONS.(a)
Except as authorized by chapter 119, title 18, United States Code, no
person receiving, assisting in receiving, transmitting, or assisting in
transmitting,any interstate or foreign communication by wire or radio
shall divulge or publish the existence, contents, substance, purport,
effect, or meaning thereof, except through authorized channels of
transmission or reception, (1) to any person other than the addressee,
his agent, or attorney, (2) to a person employed or authorized to
forward such communication to its destination, (3) to proper accounting
or distributing officers of the various communicating centers over which
the communication may be passed, (4) to the master of a ship under whom
he is serving, (5) in response to a subpena issued by a court of
competent jurisdiction,or (6) on demand of other lawful
authority.......more...


-----Original Message-----
From: MCH mch@nb.net [BCD996p2] <BCD996p2@yahoogroups.com>
To: BCD996p2 <BCD996p2@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sat, Feb 16, 2019 8:37 pm
Subject: Re: [BCD996p2] Re: Metro Nashville Agencies plan to encrypt
police radio channels f

Yes we need the law to be enforced. (reference to about not talking
about or disseminating any information you heard broadcast on the radio
channels to anyone)

Police Call was just citing part of the Communications Act of 1934 which
prohibits divulging intercepted communications except for certain radio
services such as Broadcast, Aircraft, Marine, Ham, or CB.

I don't recall the specific section, but it's in there. The FCC explains
it in plain English here:

<<https://www.fcc.gov/consumers/guides/interception-and-divulgence-radio-communications>>

Enforcement would solve most of the issue.

Joe M.

On 2/16/2019 9:12 PM, 'Robert A Klamp Jr.' robertklamp@comcast.net
[BCD996p2] wrote:
> The problem isn't scanners and it never was it's the streaming apps.
> Personally I have no clue why people are so quick to put the deeds up.
> People a totally buy scanners now just to supply feeds. If it wasn't
> accessible by a simple app on your phone less criminals would be
> listening period. But with sites that allow streaming broadcastify being
> the major offender no wonder police want encryption, how would you like
> it if all of your business and everything you said on your phone was
> broadcast to anyone with a cell phone who downloads the app. Streaming
> will be the death of our hobby and it is slowly speeding up a cross the
> nation with more a d more Public Safety agencies encrypting. I remember
> the old Police Call books radio reference used to sell and there was a
> paragraph at the beginning about not talking about or disseminating any
> information you heard broadcast on the radio channels to anyone via any
> means. It was one of the smartest things I had ever seen said but common
> sense no longer prevails. So streamers keep streaming and when your
> radios go quiet you have no one to blame but yourself. There should be a
> law against streaming but unfortunately there is not and why would the
> police want one when streaming gives them the perfect opportunity to
> spend more money on new radios systems and even more money on encryption
> with absolute justification because Joe Crackhead and Mike the Dope
> fiend found a scanner app that allowed them to know what was coming
> before it did. Streamers be proud, well at least until they encrypt your
> city and county public safety radio system.Just one mans thought on
> it, BobSent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
> -------- Original message --------From: "Michael Cushman watnny@aol.com
> [BCD996p2]" <BCD996p2@yahoogroups.com> Date: 2/16/19 19:42 (GMT-06:00)
> To: BCD996p2@yahoogroups.com Subject: [BCD996p2] Re: Metro Nashville
> Agencies plan to encrypt police radio channels f
>
>
> Yea, when did dispatchers stop asking "Do you have a clear mike?"
> Mike
>
>
>
>
>
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Richard Heightchew
 

are they planning to do it for fire which how it is working in most places a lot of PD ARE USING encrypt
so it we be going on everywhere


Elton ... <elton801@...>
 

More like, lack of personnel that know what the law is...

________________________________
From: BCD996p2@yahoogroups.com <BCD996p2@yahoogroups.com> on behalf of MCH mch@nb.net [BCD996p2] <BCD996p2@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, February 22, 2019 6:19 PM
To: BCD996p2@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [BCD996p2] Re: Metro Nashville Agencies plan to encrypt police radio channels f



Simply put, they have been "not enforcing" the law. It happens
with many things. In this case, likely due to lack of personnel.

Joe M.

On 2/22/2019 4:50 PM, 'Robert A Klamp Jr.' robertklamp@comcast.net
[BCD996p2] wrote:
So how does this not cover streaming! By straming police communications
you are divulging what you hear. How have they not outlawed streaming?
Especially when broadcastify is selling the audio of horrific events to
news stations is t that divulging the information as well. They need to
amend it to specifically target streaming, I guarantee as soon as
streaming went away encryption would slow down. Sent from my Verizon,
Samsung Galaxy smartphone
-------- Original message --------From: "Russell Adams
rwadams007@verizon.net [BCD996p2]" <BCD996p2@yahoogroups.com> Date:
2/20/19 12:51 (GMT-06:00) To: BCD996p2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re:
[BCD996p2] Re: Metro Nashville Agencies plan to encrypt police radio
channels f


Section 705 of the Communication Act of 1934 (47 USC 151)

SEC. 705. [47 U.S.C. 605] UNAUTHORIZED PUBLICATION OF COMMUNICATIONS.(a)
Except as authorized by chapter 119, title 18, United States Code, no
person receiving, assisting in receiving, transmitting, or assisting in
transmitting,any interstate or foreign communication by wire or radio
shall divulge or publish the existence, contents, substance, purport,
effect, or meaning thereof, except through authorized channels of
transmission or reception, (1) to any person other than the addressee,
his agent, or attorney, (2) to a person employed or authorized to
forward such communication to its destination, (3) to proper accounting
or distributing officers of the various communicating centers over which
the communication may be passed, (4) to the master of a ship under whom
he is serving, (5) in response to a subpena issued by a court of
competent jurisdiction,or (6) on demand of other lawful
authority.......more...


-----Original Message-----
From: MCH mch@nb.net [BCD996p2] <BCD996p2@yahoogroups.com>
To: BCD996p2 <BCD996p2@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sat, Feb 16, 2019 8:37 pm
Subject: Re: [BCD996p2] Re: Metro Nashville Agencies plan to encrypt
police radio channels f

Yes we need the law to be enforced. (reference to about not talking
about or disseminating any information you heard broadcast on the radio
channels to anyone)

Police Call was just citing part of the Communications Act of 1934 which
prohibits divulging intercepted communications except for certain radio
services such as Broadcast, Aircraft, Marine, Ham, or CB.

I don't recall the specific section, but it's in there. The FCC explains
it in plain English here:

<<https://www.fcc.gov/consumers/guides/interception-and-divulgence-radio-communications>>

Enforcement would solve most of the issue.

Joe M.

On 2/16/2019 9:12 PM, 'Robert A Klamp Jr.' robertklamp@comcast.net
[BCD996p2] wrote:
The problem isn't scanners and it never was it's the streaming apps.
Personally I have no clue why people are so quick to put the deeds up.
People a totally buy scanners now just to supply feeds. If it wasn't
accessible by a simple app on your phone less criminals would be
listening period. But with sites that allow streaming broadcastify being
the major offender no wonder police want encryption, how would you like
it if all of your business and everything you said on your phone was
broadcast to anyone with a cell phone who downloads the app. Streaming
will be the death of our hobby and it is slowly speeding up a cross the
nation with more a d more Public Safety agencies encrypting. I remember
the old Police Call books radio reference used to sell and there was a
paragraph at the beginning about not talking about or disseminating any
information you heard broadcast on the radio channels to anyone via any
means. It was one of the smartest things I had ever seen said but common
sense no longer prevails. So streamers keep streaming and when your
radios go quiet you have no one to blame but yourself. There should be a
law against streaming but unfortunately there is not and why would the
police want one when streaming gives them the perfect opportunity to
spend more money on new radios systems and even more money on encryption
with absolute justification because Joe Crackhead and Mike the Dope
fiend found a scanner app that allowed them to know what was coming
before it did. Streamers be proud, well at least until they encrypt your
city and county public safety radio system.Just one mans thought on
it, BobSent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
-------- Original message --------From: "Michael Cushman watnny@aol.com
[BCD996p2]" <BCD996p2@yahoogroups.com> Date: 2/16/19 19:42 (GMT-06:00)
To: BCD996p2@yahoogroups.com Subject: [BCD996p2] Re: Metro Nashville
Agencies plan to encrypt police radio channels f


Yea, when did dispatchers stop asking "Do you have a clear mike?"
Mike

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Brandon Szalai
 

Section 705 pertains to private communications not public service. The public has the right to know what their public servants are doing, including listening to radio communications. But I do agree tactical communications are not for the public ears. Routing police communications rarely endanger officers lives nor do criminals (even competent ones (????)) utilize radio receivers to evade or elude police. This whole encryption stuff is bullsh*t. If there was such a threat scanners would have been outlawed decades ago. Not only that all of us would know at least a few cases where scanners were used by criminals. I personally don't know of any (at least over the past 30 years).


Brandon, ND3U


Joe M.
 

It's very clear what it applies to, as it specifies what is exempted; Specifically:

"This section shall not apply to the receiving, divulging, publishing, or utilizing the contents of any radio communication which is transmitted by any station for the use of the general public, which relates to ships, aircraft, vehicles, or persons in Communications Act of 1934 320 distress, or which is transmitted by an amateur radio station operator or by a citizens band radio operator."

It applies to EVERYTHING ELSE - including Public Safety which is not transmitted *for use of* the general public.

But, the hole in your argument is that this applies only to DIVULGING, and not to RECEPTION. Anyone can still RECEIVE public safety transmissions, so there is no prohibition of "the right to know what their public servants are doing". All it prohibits is the divulgence of what you hear.

There is also a specific law in most states (if not all) that specify that the use of a scanner in the commission of a crime is a crime in and of itself, and is often added to the other charges.

Joe M.

On 2/24/2019 9:27 AM, kb3vyd@gmail.com [BCD996p2] wrote:
Section 705 pertains to private communications not public service. The
public has the right to know what their public servants are doing,
including listening to radio communications. But I do agree tactical
communications are not for the public ears. Routing police
communications rarely endanger officers lives nor do criminals (even
competent ones (????)) utilize radio receivers to evade or elude police.
This whole encryption stuff is bullsh*t. If there was such a threat
scanners would have been outlawed decades ago. Not only that all of us
would know at least a few cases where scanners were used by criminals. I
personally don't know of any (at least over the past 30 years).


Brandon, ND3U




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Joe M.
 

Sorry. That captured the title in the page break...

"This section shall not apply to the receiving, divulging, publishing,
or utilizing the contents of any radio communication which is
transmitted by any station for the use of the general public, which
relates to ships, aircraft, vehicles, or persons in distress, or which is transmitted by an amateur radio station operator or by a citizens band radio operator."

Joe M.

On 2/24/2019 1:58 PM, MCH mch@nb.net [BCD996p2] wrote:
It's very clear what it applies to, as it specifies what is exempted;
Specifically:

"This section shall not apply to the receiving, divulging, publishing,
or utilizing the contents of any radio communication which is
transmitted by any station for the use of the general public, which
relates to ships, aircraft, vehicles, or persons in Communications Act
of 1934 320 distress, or which is transmitted by an amateur radio
station operator or by a citizens band radio operator."

It applies to EVERYTHING ELSE - including Public Safety which is not
transmitted *for use of* the general public.

But, the hole in your argument is that this applies only to DIVULGING,
and not to RECEPTION. Anyone can still RECEIVE public safety
transmissions, so there is no prohibition of "the right to know what
their public servants are doing". All it prohibits is the divulgence of
what you hear.

There is also a specific law in most states (if not all) that specify
that the use of a scanner in the commission of a crime is a crime in and
of itself, and is often added to the other charges.

Joe M.

On 2/24/2019 9:27 AM, kb3vyd@gmail.com [BCD996p2] wrote:
Section 705 pertains to private communications not public service. The
public has the right to know what their public servants are doing,
including listening to radio communications. But I do agree tactical
communications are not for the public ears. Routing police
communications rarely endanger officers lives nor do criminals (even
competent ones (????)) utilize radio receivers to evade or elude police.
This whole encryption stuff is bullsh*t. If there was such a threat
scanners would have been outlawed decades ago. Not only that all of us
would know at least a few cases where scanners were used by criminals. I
personally don't know of any (at least over the past 30 years).


Brandon, ND3U





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How do companies like IPN , alert page get away with it?Jerry 
On Sun, Feb 24, 2019 at 1:01 PM, MCH mch@nb.net [BCD996p2]<BCD996p2@yahoogroups.com> wrote: Sorry. That captured the title in the page break...

"This section shall not apply to the receiving, divulging, publishing,
or utilizing the contents of any radio communication which is
transmitted by any station for the use of the general public, which
relates to ships, aircraft, vehicles, or persons in distress, or which
is transmitted by an amateur radio station operator or by a citizens
band radio operator."

Joe M.

On 2/24/2019 1:58 PM, MCH mch@nb.net [BCD996p2] wrote:
It's very clear what it applies to, as it specifies what is exempted;
Specifically:

"This section shall not apply to the receiving, divulging, publishing,
or utilizing the contents of any radio communication which is
transmitted by any station for the use of the general public, which
relates to ships, aircraft, vehicles, or persons in Communications Act
of 1934 320 distress, or which is transmitted by an amateur radio
station operator or by a citizens band radio operator."

It applies to EVERYTHING ELSE - including Public Safety which is not
transmitted *for use of* the general public.

But, the hole in your argument is that this applies only to DIVULGING,
and not to RECEPTION. Anyone can still RECEIVE public safety
transmissions, so there is no prohibition of "the right to know what
their public servants are doing". All it prohibits is the divulgence of
what you hear.

There is also a specific law in most states (if not all) that specify
that the use of a scanner in the commission of a crime is a crime in and
of itself, and is often added to the other charges.

Joe M.

On 2/24/2019 9:27 AM, kb3vyd@gmail.com [BCD996p2] wrote:
Section 705 pertains to private communications not public service. The
public has the right to know what their public servants are doing,
including listening to radio communications. But I do agree tactical
communications are not for the public ears. Routing police
communications rarely endanger officers lives nor do criminals (even
competent ones (????)) utilize radio receivers to evade or elude police.
This whole encryption stuff is bullsh*t. If there was such a threat
scanners would have been outlawed decades ago. Not only that all of us
would know at least a few cases where scanners were used by criminals. I
personally don't know of any (at least over the past 30 years).


Brandon, ND3U


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Jim Walls
 

kb3vyd@... said (in part):
Not only that all of us would know at least a few cases where scanners were used by
criminals. I personally don't know of any (at least over the past 30 years).
Hate to burst your bubble, but yes, it happens somewhat routinely. I work for the Radio Shop for a fairly large city. I can't really talk about details, but yes, bad guys are using scanners - a lot. That or stolen radios. Our PD does not encrypt dispatch, but does encrypt most of everything else.

As for the argument that an officer should flip the encryption switch before saying something that should be confidential, and then flip the switch back to clear after that transmission - your must be living in a dream world. Remember that we are pretty much all radio geeks. To most of use, fancy radio functions make sense. To most officers, the radio is nothing more than a tool - about like a hammer is a tool. Half these guys can't find channels in the home zone - let alone any fancy functions.

To give you an idea about how this is, let me relate this. First a little bit of information. On the Motorola radios, if a talkgroup is selectable encrypt, and one radio
transmits encrypted and another radio attempts to answer in the clear, the radio will bonk and not transmit. The display will tell the officer that encryption mode is wrong. If the officer waits couple seconds and tries again, it will work. Same thing if the first transmission is clear and the second is encrypted. We in the Radio Shop routinely will hear surveillance operations where most officers are encrypted and one person is clear. Darn near every time, the next day one of the officers will show up in the Radio Shop and complain something like this: "Yesterday we were running a surveillance, and every time I tried to transmit, the radio would bonk, but after a few seconds it would work". We then pull out a handheld and demonstrate what was going on. Our solution is next time we update the radio programming, we are changing almost everything except dispatch to full time encrypted - taking the switch away from them.


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Joe M.
 

Same as everyone else.

Joe M.

On 2/24/2019 2:20 PM, Jerry Strahan cajunjerry@yahoo.com [BCD996p2] wrote:
How do companies like IPN , alert page get away with it?Jerry

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On Sun, Feb 24, 2019 at 1:01 PM, MCH mch@nb.net
[BCD996p2]<BCD996p2@yahoogroups.com> wrote: Sorry. That captured the
title in the page break....

"This section shall not apply to the receiving, divulging, publishing,
or utilizing the contents of any radio communication which is
transmitted by any station for the use of the general public, which
relates to ships, aircraft, vehicles, or persons in distress, or which
is transmitted by an amateur radio station operator or by a citizens
band radio operator."

Joe M.

On 2/24/2019 1:58 PM, MCH mch@nb.net [BCD996p2] wrote:
> It's very clear what it applies to, as it specifies what is exempted;
> Specifically:
>
> "This section shall not apply to the receiving, divulging, publishing,
> or utilizing the contents of any radio communication which is
> transmitted by any station for the use of the general public, which
> relates to ships, aircraft, vehicles, or persons in Communications Act
> of 1934 320 distress, or which is transmitted by an amateur radio
> station operator or by a citizens band radio operator."
>
> It applies to EVERYTHING ELSE - including Public Safety which is not
> transmitted *for use of* the general public.
>
> But, the hole in your argument is that this applies only to DIVULGING,
> and not to RECEPTION. Anyone can still RECEIVE public safety
> transmissions, so there is no prohibition of "the right to know what
> their public servants are doing". All it prohibits is the divulgence of
> what you hear.
>
> There is also a specific law in most states (if not all) that specify
> that the use of a scanner in the commission of a crime is a crime in and
> of itself, and is often added to the other charges.
>
> Joe M.
>
> On 2/24/2019 9:27 AM, kb3vyd@gmail.com [BCD996p2] wrote:
>> Section 705 pertains to private communications not public service. The
>> public has the right to know what their public servants are doing,
>> including listening to radio communications. But I do agree tactical
>> communications are not for the public ears. Routing police
>> communications rarely endanger officers lives nor do criminals (even
>> competent ones (????)) utilize radio receivers to evade or elude police.
>> This whole encryption stuff is bullsh*t. If there was such a threat
>> scanners would have been outlawed decades ago. Not only that all of us
>> would know at least a few cases where scanners were used by criminals. I
>> personally don't know of any (at least over the past 30 years)..
>>
>>
>> Brandon, ND3U
>>
>>
>>
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